Summary of a Reading
Matthew 28:9,10; Mark 16:9 - 15; Luke 24:32 - 43; John 20:19 - 23
It would be helpful to draw attention to the word "form" in Mark, and from that to point out the character of each record of the manner of the Lord's appearing to the disciples after He rose from the dead. The expression "another form" is one which requires attention; it is peculiar to Mark. He has in view the state of the disciples. His narrative calls special attention to their unbelief; so that in telling us about the form, Mark simply says, "he appeared in another form to two of them as they went into the country". Revelation 1 and 2 enlarges on this comment. If the Lord's form is not natural, if the manner of His appearance to us is not normal, it denotes things are not right with us. The form seen in Patmos called attention to things that existed. The fact was that the assembly had left its first love, and His appearance was abnormal. It is a serious matter to find the Lord appearing in an abnormal way.
Mark's gospel calls special attention to the state of unbelief which underlay the movements of the disciples after His death. The Lord not only speaks to us when there is departure, but He changes His attitude, and you cannot say in what form He may appear. The state of unbelief was the necessity for that. Each of the addresses to the seven assemblies opened with the Lord in a position or aspect suitable to its state.
It is helpful to get the outline of the four evangelists' accounts. The normal account is found in John's gospel. Matthew's account is in keeping with his point of view, and the Lord intended to produce in the
disciples a sense of His position in administration, hence He acts at a distance, maintains a royal dignity in His relations with them.
It is not the Lord's love which changes because He rejects what is unsuitable in us. The Lord's love never could change, but in faithfulness His attitude to us changes if He sees what is displeasing to Him. His dealings with the saints in the Revelation are abnormal. It is not "I myself" till the close, but He is in rather a disciplinary attitude. All, save in the address to Philadelphia, are other than normal.
A normal state is where love could have its free course. The Lord's supper had become clouded by human innovation, so that it had lost its identification. Now restored to us in its original simplicity, and in the measure in which saints are in keeping with it, we realise "It is I myself": the Lord Himself, that is the Man. In Luke the characteristics are, it is a real Man, with all a man's affections. When we apprehend the significance of the form in which the Lord presents Himself it results in our recovery; so the way in which he presents Himself to the assembly really brings about the state seen in the overcomer.
The Lord assumes a natural and normal attitude in speaking to Philadelphia. He only assumes an abnormal form in view of recovery. On one occasion in the Canticles He only puts His hand in at the door. The bride, having that suggestion made, can give a full outline of His Person. He is described by one who loves that Person. The Lord graciously acts in that way to bring us back, that the assembly's relations with Him should be resumed. Luke's account is normal as regards the Person - the Man: "It is I myself"; therefore it says in Luke, "they were glad". At the end of Revelation also it is "I, Jesus", a term which the assembly will understand. It is the Person. If recovery is to come in it is
through the Person of Christ. His hand is active, it may be through discipline.
"Going into the country" seems so simple but really lies at the bottom of the assembly failure. It is taking up an earthly position instead of having their faces to Jerusalem. "Another form" is a different form, not a normal one. It is different from what He is in His own Person. As a matter of fact in Luke they did not even know Him. Song of Songs 5:3 - 6 shows a great test of affection. The sight of His hand puts her affections in motion. The two that went into the country had been treated similarly, only He goes all the way with them into the house; then being there, He breaks the loaf and they know Him. He does not tell them what to do; but what they did was to return in that same hour to the eleven, who were in a right position though unbelieving. The Lord said to the assembly at Philadelphia: "I will keep thee from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth". (Revelation 3:10). They had returned to the city. In Nehemiah a premium had to be put on dwelling in Jerusalem. They cast lots, for the disposition was to go into the country. The assembly should have retained its place in the centre of divine thought and rule.
The city is an abstract idea now; it has no concrete form yet. It is a divine conception introduced to meet what man had brought in. God introduced the idea of the city to Abraham. Going into the country is connected with minding earthly things, and then eventually we see in Revelation the woes are poured out on those that dwell on the earth in contrast with heaven-dwellers. Because these two had had the light and had been with Jesus, their going into the country was a serious thing, showing they were not attached to the divine centre. In recovery they returned the same hour and find the eleven, and those
that were with them. They were following righteousness now. They found "the eleven", who represented the authority of the Lord. It is a question of where one's heart is. They found the eleven; that is, they returned to the order set up by Christ in authority. In connecting Mark 16:13 with Luke, who gives more detail, we see the recovery was complete. The recovery was analogous to Philadelphia. It was recovery to the order that the Lord established, not partial, but complete. It is not complete unless brought back to the authority of Christ, that is the city. Paul completes the city, and he alone speaks of it formally as "Jerusalem above". Recovery is to God's centre, and where it is genuine we find an acknowledgment of the Lord's authority.
The city is the assembly, but it is not yet in heaven. The apostle says, "Jerusalem above", speaking abstractly as something which will exist, so it is a matter of light. The acknowledging of the Lord's authority is seen in their returning to the eleven. He had commissioned the eleven. We have not the eleven today, but we possess their writings which represent the authority of Christ. Where this authority is recognised we should soon find the right company. The principle in Acts 2:42 abides till the end, "The apostles' doctrine", because it is a question of their authority.
When He broke the bread, their eyes were opened. One sight of Him in the breaking of bread is enough. He was "known of them" through that. He took the place of 'House-father' at Emmaus, which recalled similar occasions with them as Head of a family. Prior to that He made their hearts burn on the way. The Lord drew near but in another form; He deliberately disguised Himself to get at their consciences, and used very strong language, saying, "O, fools". He made as if to go further to call out their affections. The state of unbelief is seen here
In spite of the great privilege that the Lord has afforded us, we should ask ourselves, Is my heart believing or unbelieving? Am I governed by darkness or light? Our natural selfishness would dispense with exercise. In unbelief there is no exercise. In going into the country and sitting down in quietness there is no exercise. Unbelief is at the root of most of our troubles. The underlying state is that there is the selfishness of nature which would dispense with exercise.
In Ezra's day they cast lots as to who should dwell in Jerusalem. The converse is ordinarily the case, the city forming such an attraction for the young. In man's city the lust of the eye and the pride of life are ministered to, but in Nehemiah 11:1, Jerusalem is called the Holy City; it affords nothing for the flesh, the flesh has no hankering after the city of God. The area was as large as when David occupied it, but people all wanted to go into the country. The nobles dwelt there; these were men who had taken up their responsibilities. Resurrection men appear there in Matthew. It is the city of light and rule; there is only one Jerusalem. Flesh does not seek it, but the country.
In the question of recovery, what the Spirit does is to bring us back to the previous appreciation of Christ in the Supper, and this effects recovery. What Luke brings us to is real humanity, the spirits of just men made perfect. Jerusalem is peopled by those. In Jerusalem we see the kind of men who have taken character from Christ: they are of Him.
In John's gospel Mary's message placed them in a normal position after they are assembled. They are in a normal state, so John opens up our great spiritual privilege. The Lord is seen as the last Adam and the Head of a new race, the Son of God. They are now prepared for the unfoldings of the new Head. "But these are written that ye might believe". (John 20:31)
John opens up to us the last Adam, a life-giving Spirit.
How wonderful to be shut in with Christ. He brought them into a new life as His brethren. We get the unfolding of what Christ is as the ascended One. In verses 19 and 21 "peace" repeated shows the thought of the Lord's heart for them; they are doubly fortified in peace.
It seems to me that we ought to seek to arrive at the truth of what the Lord had in His mind when He uttered these words. Did He take account of the assembly in the light of God's purpose, or did He also include in His mind the wilderness circumstances? My conviction is that the latter was not in the Lord's thought; but that He contemplated the saints as gathered around Him consequent on His death and resurrection, and so viewed as outside of wilderness conditions. To apprehend the thing in a concrete way, I think we have to go back to original conditions. We have to do this to rightly understand any assembly truth; and I would say that when the saints came together "in assembly", the Lord came to them and this was realised. The Spirit does not record, or give examples of the inward working of the assembly viewed in this exalted position after Pentecost. I think it is left to intelligent affection to find out. The scene after the Supper when they sang a hymn, is the closest analogy as to the singing, but this was before the Lord's death and resurrection; they were then on Jewish ground. Afterwards, the disciples would be regarded as His brethren before the Father, as now made known, but referring to Hebrews 2, it is well to remember, that it is not the unfolding of assembly truth, but primarily to show the humanity of our Lord. Therefore, it is not to determine when He sings, but shows that He sings in the midst of the assembly; it is a characteristic function, as also declaring the Father's name to His brethren.
It seems clear that the primary thought of the assembly is that those who form it should be together; and its distinctive privileges are thus enjoyed; this
will be true literally when we are "caught up together". Much may be said of the wilderness as involving God's ways, but it is incidental. Though our wilderness condition cannot be ignored, yet I am sure it is not right to apply to us as "in the wilderness" what Scripture connects with us viewed as "in the land".
My conviction is that the Lord in using the precious words recorded in Hebrews 2:12, did not contemplate the saints as in the wilderness, or in incidental circumstances, but rather as gathered together as the glorious result of His death. Were one to take the assembly as viewed only in the light of this passage, we would think of it in no other circumstances than as surrounding Christ to "go no more out". That is, we should not think of the wilderness. I am therefore afraid that if we make the praise here to include what may ascend from individuals, as such, we lower its character. I believe it refers to the assembly as outside all here, and that it extends beyond the present period. Indeed it does not specially refer to any period. From another point of view, I believe the words "in the midst" in their ordinary force, mean that the saints are together.
Hebrews 13:1; Deuteronomy 2:1 - 9; Amos 1:9
My thought is to speak a word about the relationship in which the Lord has set us as brethren, a term which is, thank God! now current among us, and the fact that it is current and appreciated shows, that there has been recovery amongst the people of God. The exercise is that what has been recovered may continue; not only the relationship, but that which belongs to it, that is, the love that is suited to it, brotherly love, and so I would wish to enlarge on the subject by the Lord's help, especially as found in the epistle to the Hebrews, which is not a formal, apostolic epistle, but one written on the ground, as one might say, of mutuality. The writer begins by saying, "God having spoken...... to the fathers in the prophets, at the end of these days has spoken to us". He is not assuming that he had any special official place, but having a message involving an exhortation, he delivered it on the ground of mutuality.
In writing his apostolic letters, Paul usually associated with himself a brother, and this is especially so in corrective letters. You will recall that in writing his first epistle to the Corinthians he associated with himself "Sosthenes the brother", and in the second letter, "the brother Timotheus"; that is, combined with his official position as an apostle, there was the brotherly representative. Those who have to do with military matters know how at the tribunals a military representative is there, representing the claim of the military authorities, and while, of course, this is very different from what a brother suggests, I name it as illustrating the idea of association in acting. Although Paul was a brother, he was also an apostle, and as an apostle he represented the authority of Christ; the authority
of Christ was vested in him, as it had been in the twelve.
It is a point of great interest in the opening of the Acts to see how Peter on the day of Pentecost stood up in his official capacity as an apostle not associated with the hundred and twenty; that is, with the brethren as such, but with the eleven; "But, Peter standing up with the eleven", (Acts 2:14). They were the ones who had been commissioned to announce the glad tidings, and it is said of those who believed through Peter's testimony, that "they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship"(verse 42); they were brought into a new system which superseded that established by Moses. Instead of Moses' seat, it was Christ's seat, represented in the apostles; that was how matters stood at the beginning. When we come to Paul, we find that he is careful to associate with his authority the brotherly spirit. There was one linked with him in writing the letter to the Corinthians who had the heart of a brother; that would tone the letter, not that any modification was necessary, for Paul had the heart of a brother, but he would by this means assure the brethren to whom he was writing that what he wrote was not out of keeping with the spirit of a brother; so we read, "Paul, called apostle of Jesus Christ, by God's will, and Sosthenes the brother", (1 Corinthians 1:1).
You will find this principle of associating others with him common in the different epistles of Paul, but especially in the corrective ones, and it is worthy of special note that when he wrote to the Galatians he mentions not only one brother, but "all the brethren with me", (Galatians 1:2) It was not only the affections of the brethren, but their solemn judgment as to an error that was about to rob the people of God of their liberties. It is a serious thing when all the brethren, or the brethren generally, are of one mind about a matter. That which belongs to Christ, His
rights, and the liberty of the saints were threatened and therefore the apostle associates with him in his letter to the Galatians "all the brethren". "Paul, apostle...... and all the brethren with me". I call attention to this, dear brethren, so that we may see how the spirit of the brother is to pervade everything in Christianity, from authority down to the relations in which we stand one toward another.
When we come to the epistle to the Hebrews, it is not the authority of the writer that is in view, but the mutuality that should mark the people of God. When I speak of mutuality, I speak of what we have in common in the way of possession. The early Christians began, according to Acts 2, with holding everything in common; "all things" were in common. The principle was so pronounced amongst them that even their material possessions were held in common. Paul distinguishes in that regard in 1 Timothy and elsewhere. In writing this epistle, the writer speaks of the spiritual things which Christians have in common, and they are very much greater, I need not remark, than material things, for they are enduring, and they become a binding element amongst the people of God. I suggest for your consideration expressions which recur frequently in this epistle, "we have" and "let us". We have things in common. It is not that he says, "do you", but "let us", and that leads on to what I may call in the language of Scripture, the "brotherly covenant".
I do not know whether you have noticed the expression, but it occurs in the scripture I have just read from Amos, "Tyre...... remembered not the brotherly covenant". The principle of covenant is very pronounced in the epistle to the Hebrews, and I think that this principle helps greatly in the formation of mutual relations and bonds; indeed, in this as in all else, we have to learn from God. According to Thessalonians, it is God who teaches us to love
one another, ye "yourselves are taught of God to love one another", (1 Thessalonians 4:9) and so I believe that the brotherly covenant must be the outcome of what God is to us in Christ.
In this epistle you will find the thought of covenant alluded to in different connections. It is said of Jesus that He became Surety of a better covenant; that is, a better one than the first, and it is established on better promises. Let us not shelve these promises for a later day. They are for us in the principle of them, and so also is the "better covenant", (Hebrews 9:6) of which Jesus is Surety. Primarily it is consummated as regards the house of Israel and as regards the house of Judah, but Jesus is the Surety of it, and, moreover, it is later said, we have come to Jesus the Mediator of it, we have come to that Man; and in the last chapter of this epistle we read that the God of peace "brought again from among the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep in the power of the blood of the eternal covenant". (Hebrews 13:20) Note eternal covenant; that is to say, one which is never to be broken, for it is not dependent on us, it is effectuated through the blood of Jesus; it is dependent on God, for Jesus is brought again from the dead in the power of the blood of it, and He is the great Shepherd of the sheep. What a Shepherd for the sheep to be under the care of! We have to take account of the Lord in these various connections.
We have to know Jesus in every connection, and what a study for our hearts to contemplate Him in these varied ways. He is Surety of a better covenant, He is Mediator of a new covenant, He is the One who has made the covenant effective, and then He is the great Shepherd of the sheep whose blood sealed the covenant! How important to know Him too as the One who has come out of the grave in the power of the everlasting covenant! The covenant is a question of the love of God all through, what His
love is to this people and what it provides. How every shepherd, as knowing the great Shepherd of the sheep would be concerned that the saints should not miss anything of that love! It is all to be brought to the sheep; they are to be nurtured in it. As Israel in the future will be brought up under the "apple tree", that is, under Christ as the. Mediator of the new covenant, so we now as Christians are brought up under the nurture of Christ, nourished in the love of God. We have to learn Christ in these relations, and as learning Him we come to apprehend the idea of covenant, and in this way we learn to maintain the brotherly covenant.
Now the assembly began with that, but all were not true to it. Tyrus is the figure of such; whatever the covenant relations may have been, Tyrus disregarded them, "and remembered not the brotherly covenant": His punishment on that account is, that "I will send a fire on the wall of Tyre". Am I aware of the fact that I am in relation to my brethren in a holy covenant? It is from God that I learn what the thing is. At what cost, beloved brethren, has God brought in the thought and made it effective for me in the Mediator! Think of what the life, of Jesus here upon earth was to God! He who grew up, as it is said, as a tender plant, He who was ever green for God, whom He regarded as His "only One", His Elect, in whom His soul delighted! It was that One whom God gave up. The life was in the blood, but what a life was the life of Jesus! God gave that up in order to make His thoughts effective for you and for me, and now, am I not to be according to that? If that precious life was surrendered by God, and that precious One brought up from the dead, in the power of the blood of the eternal covenant, as the great Shepherd of the sheep, what effect has that on me? What about my life? My life after the flesh is of no value surely; it is
forfeited by sin. God's word to Adam was "dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return". (Genesis 4:19)
But then I am a Christian and a Christian is born of God; he is born of water and the Spirit, and made to live too in the power of the Spirit in the life of Christ; viewed thus he is not dust; there is in him something for God, something that abides. What am I to do now with that life? Paul tells us: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the compassions of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your intelligent service". (Romans 12:1) "The body is dead on account of sin, but the Spirit life on account of righteousness". (Romans 8:10) The body in itself is dust, but it is of great value now in that it is animated by the Spirit of God. See what a Christian is for God, what he is now as emancipated from sin, living in the Spirit; the Spirit being life! There is that which is to be for God. So the body is presented, not a dead sacrifice, but a living sacrifice. That is all the fruit and effect of what I see in God, made good to me in the death of Jesus, who was brought again from the dead in the power of the blood of the everlasting covenant. My life is to be thus devoted to God.
It is in that way I enter on the ground of the brotherly covenant. I have love in my heart. God has placed His love there, and what for? That we should be like Him; as David said, when established in his kingdom, "Is there yet any that is left of the house of Saul, that I may show him kindness for Jonathan's sake?" (2 Samuel 9:1) It was a brotherly covenant, for Jonathan had made a covenant with David, "he loved him as he loved his own soul", (1 Samuel 18:3) and David in his lamentation over the death of Jonathan said: "thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women", (2 Samuel 1:26) and now he would show kindness to the house of Saul for Jonathan's sake. So with the sense of the love of God in my heart I look at the brethren, and I act
to show the kindness of God, and the love of God for Christ's sake. That was what Christians were at the beginning, but, alas! as with Tyrus, the covenant has been broken; there have been those who have been untrue to the bond in which the Lord has set us. "For three transgressions of Tyre, and for four, I will not revoke its sentence", Jehovah said; the punishment is irrevocable. As the Lord says to Thyatira, "I gave her time that she should repent, and she will not repent". (Revelation 2:21) That is God's way; there has been the transgression; the brotherly covenant has been broken; and then the punishment is fixed. I only cite the case of Tyre as an instance.
The Lord has His eye on everything that is going on down here in the sphere in which His name is publicly owned; He walks "in the midst of the seven lamps". (Revelation 1:12) When He comes to Philadelphia He finds there the brotherly spirit. I have no doubt that the very name suggests it, and in it He has His place. I make bold to say that the Corner stone is in Philadelphia, for everything is for Christ; it is what is after Christ. He said, "thou hast kept my word"; and "thou hast kept the word of my patience". The promises to the overcomer are connected with what belongs to Christ, "the temple of my God...... the name of my God...... the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my new name". Such is what He offers to those who are marked by brotherly love.
Well now, in reading the passage in Deuteronomy, I wanted to show how God has respect to the rights of brethren. I have no doubt in my own mind that mount Seir refers to the place of the brethren. You will remember that it is said in this book that "there are eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of mount Seir to Kadesh-barnea". (Deuteronomy 1:2) I believe it is true spiritually, that the way into privilege is via the
brethren; in that sense Colossians precedes Ephesians, for finding the Christian circle leads on experimentally to the heavenly place. The other way is a long way round and involves much exercise, and that may be necessary, but the divinely short way is via mount Seir.
I do not refer to the passage for that reason, but, as I said, to call attention to the fact that God has respect to the rights of the brethren. You may say to me, I did not know we had any rights. If I claim any I am in a false position, but I must recognise that you have rights, and so the word here is "Command the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the border of your brethren the children of Esau, who dwell in Seir ... meddle not with them". I have, therefore, to respect the brethren: they have rights: if I regard them according to God, there are no people who have such rights as the brethren. In the first epistle to the Corinthians "all things" are said to be ours, and amongst them the servants, the ministers, whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas. Must I meddle? must I interfere? In Christendom the thing is reversed; you hear of certain men speaking of their flocks, whereas the truth is that the minister belongs to the congregation. If the Lord has graciously supplied a means of help for His people at the present time, let us not meddle, yea; rather let us see to it that the saints get all there is for them; they need it.
Then it goes on to say, "I will not give you of their land". You may say, It refers to Esau; it does, but he is regarded here as representing the brethren, and there must be no interference; their land is given to them according to the counsel of God, and we must not take it away from them. You may say, There is very little in this brother or in that one; but remember this, the Lord is able to make him stand, and the ministry he has received
from the Lord he is responsible for, and the Lord will hold him to account for it, and that ministry is the property of the brethren. Then the reason given why God will not give them of their land is "Because I have given mount Seir unto Esau as a possession", and further it adds, "Ye shall buy meat of them for money, that ye may eat; and ye shall also buy water of them for money, that ye may drink". I do not pursue the passage. I bring it forward in order that we may see that the brethren have divinely given rights, rights granted to them in the sovereignty of love, and no one must meddle with these. Let the Lord have a free hand in His own heritage. Paul could say, "I have planted; Apollos watered; but God has given the increase". (1 Corinthians 3:6)
And now, dear brethren, I have said to you what I had in my mind, and in conclusion I come back to that one verse, "Let brotherly love continue". (Hebrews 13:1) I believe that that one feature is to mark the last days. There was a wonderful beginning for Christianity, and I believe, morally, there is going to be a wonderful ending, and one of the best evidences of it is that the bride says "Come". The Spirit takes the lead in this, but the bride is with Him. It does not say, The Spirit and the bride shall say, Come, nor is it let them say, Come, but "the Spirit and the bride say, Come". (Revelation 22:17) It is characteristic. It marked the assembly at the very beginning, and the passage indicates clearly that it will mark her at the end. I believe, that as the conditions in the world become more marked by the features of Antichrist, the saints, as they are exercised to maintain separation from all that bears that character, will be led on more and more in unison with the Spirit to say, "Come, Lord Jesus".
I commend to you the brotherly covenant, the importance of being bound up in the mutual bonds of divine love, so as to be fortified against the
covenants of the world; it is in this way that brotherly love is seen to work out, and we are exhorted to let it continue, and I am encouraged to believe it will. Scripture says "he that has endured to the end" (Matthew 10:22); it is not how one begins, it is how one finishes. If I have begun my Christian career in the enjoyment of the fellowship and the affections of the saints, let me keep there; the apostle says to the Thessalonians, "The Lord make you to increase, and abound in love one toward another", (1 Thessalonians 3:12) and this verse says, "Let brotherly love continue", let it abide. May God grant that in His grace it may be so with each one of us, and to this end bless His word.
John 1:6 - 10, 15, 19 - 37; John 3:25 - 30
In reading this passage I have in view what has been already before us. I am encouraged to turn to this narrative of our Lord's ministry, because I believe it is specially intended for the last days. It represents the reserve which the Lord had from the beginning, and by which He intended to meet conditions which should arise consequent upon the breakdown of that which was established by the apostles.
The writer, as you will observe, introduces John the baptist at the outset, and he introduces him in order to emphasise the excellencies which were peculiarly evident in him, as if to suggest to us that the witness in the last days is to be marked by these traits. I see this to be the design in introducing the Baptist in such an early stage of the narrative. Whilst carefully retaining him in his place as subordinate to Christ, yet he brings him in at the outset. John "was not that light". The writer almost says, Do not mistake him, he is very far short of Christ; but whilst I beg of you not to mistake him for Christ, take account of the peculiar traits which are emphasised in him, for I want them to appear in you.
"There was a man sent from [not by here, but from] God". He was sent from God. Now I suppose that the desire of every one that loves Christ is to serve Christ, and so the point here is as to where you come from in your service. John was sent from God. The force of the word is that he had been with God. Very little is given of John's early life after his infancy, but there can be no doubt that he lived with God. Had he not it could not be said that he was sent from God. Now God may take up any
person to accomplish some act of government, as for instance, Cyrus. It could not be said of him, that he was sent from God. So the first great thing is to be with God. This is also one of the first great points emphasised about the Lord. "The Word was with God". The evangelist further states, "we have contemplated his glory, a glory as of an only begotten with a father". That is how the apostles contemplated Christ. Note, they contemplated His glory, it was not a passing observation, but an interested occupation of the mind.
So John is presented to us as "sent from God". Here I would impress upon you the importance of being with God. You will find that in the Lord's ministry He habitually withdrew from the crowd. To be a minister one has to be with God, not with the crowd, It is quite true that He came down to the level of men, and that is the negation of the clerical idea. The Lord spent the whole night in prayer before He chose the twelve. He fitted the men for service, as illustrated in the man whose hand was restored in Luke 6, and then He prayed. Afterwards He chose twelve and named them apostles. Then He came down and stood with them in the plain or "level place". With the apostles He came down to the level of men, as we may say, in order to bless them. As Paul says, "I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some". (1 Corinthians 9:22)
Coming back to John, this is how he is represented to us. He was sent from God. We were dwelling on the assembly at Antioch this afternoon. It was marked by priestly exercises Godward. Paul and Barnabas were sent from that company; not by it, but from it. So that it is well to inquire when a man presents himself to minister, who he is, and whence he is. The Lord made a point of who He was, and whence He was. The sum total of John's witness is given in the verses I read. First he says, "He is
preferred before me". Have I come to that in my soul, that another is preferred before me? Now that the Son of God has come, no one else can have the first place. And then the evangelist adds, "of his fulness have all we received". If we have not received of His fulness, we have not anything at all. So the Spirit of God turns aside to enlarge on His greatness. "Grace and truth subsists through Jesus Christ". They are perfectly blended in Him. "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him". Not was or shall be, but "who is in the bosom of the Father".
Now look at verse 19. "This is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem". John the baptist was not there. Christ was not there. He was "with the Father". They came to John and said, "Who art thou?" What a question! Let us just face it, beloved brethren. Have I a lineage to pride myself on? Here are the leaders of religion, giving John an opportunity to assert himself. What would the flesh do were it allowed to answer here? John was of the priestly family; he could have said: My father was a priest, and my mother a daughter of Aaron. But John was not governed by fleshly feelings. How ready we are to advertise! Simon Magnus was "giving out that he was some great one". This is an anti-Christian element. "The beast" will be marked by it in a pre-eminent way. Let us beware of advertising.
Now see how beautifully the Spirit of God presents the opposite in John. He "confessed and denied not". In Matthew and Luke the Lord defends John. Let us leave our reputation to Christ. He takes care of it, and we should have no reputation save what He commends and defends. You cannot say anything too bad as to what I am capable of as a
man in the flesh, but if you look at me as a man in Christ, you cannot say anything too good, but, as I said, the Lord will take care of our reputation.
What was of God in the Baptist was tested in a remarkable way by the messengers sent from Jerusalem and by the questions they asked. As the questions proceeded, the test became more severe. He says, "I am not the Christ". Then they ask him, "Art thou Elias?" He could have said 'Yes' with a measure of truthfulness, for the Lord said concerning him, "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, who is to come". But John said "No"; he was not even Elias. The point here is, that you do not claim to be a special servant or vessel. Following this is the inquiry, "Art thou that prophet?" "No". The steadiness with which John maintained a true estimate of himself in this tempting interrogation is very striking. It is a model for all who would serve Christ today. But the temptation proceeds: "Who art thou?" "What sayest thou of thyself?" they further ask. He answers, "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias". There is no assumption to new or special light. Why should we talk about new light when the sun is in the heavens? Christ is "that light"; as for John, he was just a voice, urging people to make a way for the Lord. So he says, "Make straight the way of the Lord". The Lord is coming in. You prepare for Him. That is the message. Get right with the Lord. That is the point. He is about to appear now.
Are we prepared for the Lord? If one might speak about "the way", in the Acts it is synonymous with fellowship. It was the way of the saints,, their manner, the new thing that Christ had brought in, that was evil spoken of; Acts 19:9. The great multitude have now turned aside from it. As Deborah
said, "The highways were unoccupied and the travellers walked through byways". How many of us here are on the highway of God? The Lord is coming and He will recognise "the way". It is His way. Let us make it straight. It involves the fellowship of God's Son, and of His death. Let us look to our associations. Further, the "Day-star" arises in our hearts, so that we should take care of our hearts.
They asked John, "Why baptisest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?" They questioned him now about his work. First, they ask about himself, then about his work. John said, "I baptise with water". There is no claim to anything great; it was negative. That was the nature of his work. Most essential, indeed, in its significance, as we know, but for the moment it was water in contrast with the Spirit. But he points to the Man who is coming after. Look what He does! He baptises with the Holy Spirit. Christ is going to fill the world with positive blessing.
The questions of the Pharisees' messengers being answered, we have John's unsolicited testimony to Christ. From verse 29 it is "the next day". He is done with the Pharisees. This begins another day. It is the substance of John's witness in a positive way. He "seeth Jesus coming unto Him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". What a testimony! How the mind is directed to Christ! He is coming unto John, coming in the way of righteousness. Baptism with us is the demand of a good conscience before God. It demands baptism. Strictly, no one is righteous until he is baptised. The Lord said, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness", (Matthew 3:16). The Lord would not leave one item of righteousness unfulfilled. He is the accomplisher of righteousness for He takes away the sin of the world. And then, "This is
he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me". Then there is a further and separate testimony, "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him". This was the evidence to John of the One who would baptise with the Holy Spirit. We have thus the accomplishment of righteousness in the death of Christ presented in John's witness, and also the great fact of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Christ is the sum-total of the testimony.
Then there is another part: "again the next day after". I wish now to dwell upon this fresh part of the Baptist's testimony. "John stood". He has done working now, we may say; he has introduced Christ, who is now to do everything. The One who is to fill the world with blessing is now on the scene. May the Lord give us to take our place and stand as a witness to this glorious Man! Two of John's disciples were with him. He looked upon Jesus as He walked. Jesus is not now walking to John. He is simply walking. Peter speaks of "his steps"; John is looking at Him as He walked. He says, "Behold the Lamb of God!" It is not Christ's work now, but His walk. John's word was like true ministry. True ministry directs the saints to Christ and not to the minister. The two were moved when John spoke. Ministry to the heart moves the saints. They heard John speak and followed Jesus.
Turn now to chapter 3: 25 - 30. John is now not only standing and looking at His walk, but standing and hearing the Lord Jesus. His heart is filled with joy. Our hearts should catch some of the joy which the Baptist had as he disappears, for we may say he disappears here. "He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom ... rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled". He is now standing and hearing. In the first chapter he was standing
and looking; in the third he is standing and hearing the Bridegroom. John the baptist came to discern the voice of the Bridegroom. Have you discerned the voice of the Bridegroom? If you hear that voice you merge into the bride. It is much greater to be of the bride than even to be an apostle. I dwell on it, for it involves the voice of Christ's love for the assembly. There has been the distinct voice of the Bridegroom in the ministry that has come to us in these last days. Matthew 25 speaks of a cry which calls attention to the Bridegroom, but then there is the positive ministry of Christ Himself, which contains the voice of the Bridegroom. He that "standeth and heareth". It means the closing of the ears to other sounds and voices. What does it mean to me? It is that I belong to that for which Christ as the Bridegroom is coming
So John says, "The friend of the bridegroom standeth and heareth". I beg of you to stand and hear the Bridegroom's voice; He is about to come for the bride, and He would appeal to her now. "for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife has made herself ready". (Revelation 19:7) John speaks of making straight the way of the Lord; for us this involves making ourselves ready. "To her it was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen". The granting suggests distinguishment. Such array is in keeping with her dignity. The best robe was put upon the prodigal. But I would appeal to each heart as to whether we are ready for Christ. John says, "this my joy is fulfilled". So he disappears. What a sunset! Truly a sunset suggests past glory, but John goes down in that way. His greatest, glory is as witness to the rising Sun. He is filled with joy, in the sense of the greatness of the One who is rising in the heavens, and who is to fill the universe. He is here now for faith; "for the Son of God has come", but presently for sight.
Our brother has put a word into my month in the suggestion that an Ephesian saint is foreshadowed in Mephibosheth in 2 Samuel 19:24 - 30. Ephesians presents to us the full answer to the gospel; that is, in the thought of full grown men. And it occurs to me, that at the end of the days of the period in which we live, it is the divine thought that there should be men such as Mephibosheth. Mephibosheth appeared, first, in the period when David was established in the kingdom, and again after he had gone through the period of rejection occasioned by the rebellion of Absalom. That is, Mephibosheth's love endured; it stood the test. Although, through his infirmity, he was unable to accompany David, as driven out of Jerusalem, his love was an abiding one. It was typically divine love, it never failed.
So now, I apprehend, the Lord is set to bring about men fully developed; as the apostle says, "In your minds be grown men", (1 Corinthians 14:20). Ephesians not only deals with the affections, but with the mind also. It is there we read of being "renewed in the spirit of your mind", and of "the spirit of wisdom and revelation" in the knowledge of God. That is something that is beyond what the physical creation would suggest. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead" (Romans 1:20); but Ephesians goes beyond this in that it suggests the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God. So that there is in that way, in the suggestion of our brother, a very practical thought, the reappearance in the last days of intelligent devotedness and love to Christ. In other words, God is bringing about
now intelligent lovers of Christ. I have no doubt that in the middle ages, all the way down, there have been lovers of Christ. The addresses to the assemblies in Revelation 2 and 3 clearly indicate this. The Holy Spirit saw to it, that it was so, one may say. But one can scarcely assert that there have always been intelligent lovers of Christ; and so I would remind you that an Ephesian saint, characteristically, is an intelligent lover of Christ. Now if one is not a lover of Christ, one is doomed for a curse. Paul says, "If any one love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maran-atha". (1 Corinthians 16:22) A very solemn word, a warning which resounds throughout the period of the assembly to all non-lovers of Christ: "Anathema Maran-atha", That was Paul's judgment by the Spirit.
One looks into the heavens and sees the handiwork of God. I suppose one may be justified in saying that the idea of pattern did not appear in the formation of the physical system, which indeed, is, so to speak, but the scaffolding to the building. I feel assured that the remark is justifiable. Scaffolding wrought, indeed, with wonderful skill, but not more than that, for as the real structure, the spiritual structure, is completed, the scaffolding disappears. The putting into place of these marvellous bodies was truly wonderful, but I judge without pattern, and one may say that even Adam was not made by pattern. He was a "figure", truly, "of him that was to come", but the real pattern in the mind of God was Christ Himself and no other. When you come to the figurative representation of things in the heavens; that is the spiritual things, God said, "And look that thou make them after the pattern showed to thee in the mount". (Exodus 25:40) When you come to spiritual things, heavenly things, everything in made by pattern.
I have entered on a wide field. I can only just
touch on it, but when you come to what is before God, that is to say, a spiritual order of things, everything must be on the principle of pattern; and not a made one: it is the Son, as our verse says, "that we should be conformed to the image of his Son". Wisdom, was present when the foundation of the earth was laid, but in regard to the foundation of the earth there is nothing said as to pattern. We do read, indeed, of "all his work which God created and made" (Genesis 2:3), but when we come to the spiritual order of things seen in type in Exodus, all must be made "after the pattern showed to thee in the mount". This is the Son, not a made pattern, as I said, but "the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us". (John 1:14) That is the pattern, and so God is working according to that. I feel if I can leave that impression with you, I have succeeded in my object. He is working on that pattern, and will not be diverted from it in the least measure, for the pattern stands. The four gospels present it to us. And so Paul, in writing to the Corinthians, says, "For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified". (1 Corinthians 2:2) It was his deliberate judgment formed as to how and what he should minister among them. So he says, as it were, 'I was true to the pattern in so far as it could be used among you'. He could not use the whole pattern on account of their state; but he was God's workman, and he laid the foundation as a "wise architect", and the foundation is Jesus Christ. He did not go beyond the foundation, but the foundation was according to the pattern.
Now the pattern really involves not only the form of the structure, but the material also. The specifications call not only for dimensions, but also material. Let us remember that. What God made the universe out of I cannot tell you, nor can anyone else. It was a creation, and faith accepts this. But God presented
beforehand in Christ the material out of which the spiritual universe was to be made; or builded. As I said, the specifications, so to speak, not only required form, but also the material that should be used. Paul laid the foundation according to pattern and according to requirement as to material, and the material was "Jesus Christ"; the order of Man the gospels present to us. That is the foundation. Take heed first how you build, and then what you build; pattern and material, we must be careful about both. That is to say, if I do anything for God in the way of service, it must be according to Christ. It is of no value at all otherwise; indeed, God has to come in and destroy it by fire. Is there anything that I have done, or am doing, that the fire must destroy? God will not suffer bad material in this building, everything is tested by fire.
In the second epistle to the Corinthians the apostle says, "he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God". (2 Corinthians 5:5) What is the "thing?" "We have a building from God eternal in the heavens", (5: 1) the apostle says, referring to the spiritual body. Now what is that body like? It is like Christ. The body that is said to be a building of God, eternal in the heavens, is patterned after Christ. It is wonderful that I am to have a body like that. The Word became flesh and dwelt among men. In that blessed Man you see the divine idea. There is no other. He appeared in resurrection in a spiritual body of "flesh and bone". Christians have a house "not made with hands, eternal in the heavens". Our present bodies are bodies of humiliation, but they shall be raised spiritual bodies, in incorruption, glory and power; (1 Corinthians 15:42 - 44). God has wrought us for this, for this "selfsame thing", the apostle says, as he thinks of the building from God; for we are to have bodies like unto Christ's body of glory as in heaven. God has had a definite thought
in His mind. He is working in us now, that when we appear in that body we shall be equal to it. The body and myself shall be wrought of God. As it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, so may it be said of us, "What hath God wrought?" He has brought a company who, both in regard of their spiritual state and in regard of their bodies, are patterned after Christ. That is what God shall have wrought then.
I have ventured on this line to show you in confirmation of what had been said, that God's work is now altogether on the line of pattern, and that pattern is the Son, so that the end stated is, "for whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son". The word "conformed" includes all we have been speaking of. God brings in discipline, allows things to occur in our circumstances, thus the conforming work goes on, and all to the end that we should be "conformed to the image of his Son". It includes all we have been dwelling upon - namely, the work of God.
The epistles to the Corinthians enlarge upon what God is and does for His people. Colossians is more what Christ is: Corinthians is God. So that "he that hath wrought us for this selfsame thing is God", and He has also given us the earnest of the Spirit, so that the working has in view the Son of God, that every saint should be conformed to the image of that blessed Man. So it is all on the principle of pattern. God would bring out at the end of the days a complete correspondence to the beginning, not in quantity, indeed, but in quality. It is the antidote to Antichrist, who is undoubtedly looming in the distance. The mystery of iniquity is working, and it is working to bring about a man that shall be set over against Christ; whereas the Spirit of God, on the other hand, is working to bring in Christ, subjectively, in the people of God, so that there should be
in that way an antidote to Antichrist, a standard lifted against him. The conforming work of God brings about in us a likeness to Christ. The word "image" here is to be noted: that we should be "conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren". The design was not small. God has many before Him, and is working that they should all be like Christ, like the Son, so that He should be the Firstborn among them. Hence we have brought about a spiritual order of things.
The natural system is but the scaffolding to the spiritual, because it shall be certainly removed. The present heaven and present earth shall be consumed. They "shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat". But we "look for new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness", (2 Peter 3:10 - 13) "I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away", (Revelation 21:1). That is the spiritual order that shall remain, and everything there reflects what the Son is; "the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". (Colossians 1:15) How important is the work of God. If one looks at the handiwork of God; it is conforming them to the image of His Son.
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This letter is parallel with that to the saints at Rome, in the sense that it affords light as to how believers who have received the teaching of Romans are to be regulated collectively. Believers in Rome are addressed as "beloved of God called saints". Their ecclesiastical position is not in view whereas those at Corinth are written to as the "assembly of God" in that city. Generally speaking Romans corresponds with Exodus, and Corinthians with Numbers. We may say it treats of "the assembly in the wilderness". In Numbers Moses is spoken to by Jehovah as "in the wilderness of Sinai". What follows is light as to how the saints are to be regulated collectively as in the wilderness. Ephesians views the assembly in heaven. The assembly of God in Corinth answers to the wilderness. We have to pass through the wilderness on our way to heaven, but our being in the wilderness is by divine appointment for testimony. Leviticus speaks of the tabernacle of the congregation, but Numbers speaks of the tabernacle of witness. Stephen speaks of "the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness", (Acts 7:49).
The tabernacle did not suggest outward greatness or grandeur; it was comparatively insignificant externally, and this agrees with the apostle's remarks here about the Corinthians and himself. Emphasis is laid on the littleness of things from man's point of view. They were to consider their calling: not many wise or mighty after the flesh were called. The manner of the apostle's preaching, too, was not such as to inspire worldly interest or approval.
This epistle has a general as well as a local, bearing, and has a certain prophetic character, especially as
introducing the Lord's supper. As intended to meet failure, being corrective, it affords peculiar help throughout the whole history of the assembly. The fleshly pretensions and laxities that developed at Corinth reappear, alas! continually, and hence the principles set out in this letter for correction and recovery are constantly applicable.
"Sosthenes the brother" is introduced at once in Paul's salutation. There is always great moral support in the brother. Brotherly sympathy is a great feature of Christianity. Paul valued it, and it goes through to the end. It specially marks the Philadelphian period. Revelation is marked by it. John, in writing to the seven assemblies, is their brother. Another brother, Timotheus, is associated with Paul in writing his second letter to the Corinthians. Writing to the Galatians, Paul associates with him all the brethren in his company. He was not alone in his exercises, far from it. The idea of a brother is more in evidence in the chapter before us, however, the brother being mentioned personally.
The first epistle gives the exterior of the structure, the second more the interior. The latter leads on to "a man in Christ". Paul had laid the foundation at Corinth as "a wise architect". His architecture was not of the Corinthian style; it was of a divine order. The foundation laid was Jesus Christ - an order of Man (blessed be His name) infinitely removed from that held in honour at Corinth. The foundation had the whole structure in view. It was not modelled after the fashion of the world: Christendom, alas! has come to this. Paul's architecture was heavenly.
"The testimony of the Christ" in verse 6, refers to what will be set forth in Him as anointed for God's pleasure. "The testimony of God" in chapter 2: 1, is more what God is as revealed in the gospel. Paul announced it humbly and unpretentiously, for it involved the order of Man that "the life of Jesus"
bore witness to. "The Christ" is the anointed Man, in whom God sets forth all His thoughts; Jesus is the order of Man who is for God's pleasure. Those spoken of in Romans 3 as justified are "of the faith of Jesus". The testimony of God involves that men like Him are brought in for God, hence "good pleasure in men".
We may say that Romans is the testimony of God, Colossians and Ephesians the testimony of the Christ. 2 Timothy speaks of "the testimony of our Lord". (2 Timothy 2:8) Outwardly others have dominion over us, but there is One who is our Lord. Mary says,"My Lord". He is not yet wielding His authority outwardly, but His protection is nevertheless real, and known to be this in a spiritual way by those who have faith. The victory that marked Paul's path witnesses this fact. The testimony of our Lord is seen in power and endurance in suffering on the part of the Lord's people in this world.
We are called into the fellowship of God's Son; verse 9. The dignity and greatness of what we are called to is in view here. Later on in chapter 10, we have the fellowship of His death, and also in 2 Corinthians 13:14, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. It is of here, not with His Son. The character of the fellowship is referred to. How great our privilege is! The faithfulness of God, however, is the leading thought in verse 9. He had made no promises to the Gentiles, but now that they were taken into relationship with Him in grace, He was to be known to them as faithful. The second epistle enlarges on this subject. The first nine verses of our chapter are introductory, they show how richly the Corinthians were furnished.
In addressing "all that in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ", Paul does not add with a "pure heart" as in 2 Timothy 2:22. Every one who professed to be a Christian then was included;
all were obligated, but 2 Timothy makes a difference. We are to walk here and to "follow righteousness, faith, love, peace, with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart". Universality is emphasised here in 1 Corinthians 1, and the same Lord was recognised by all, He is "both theirs and ours".
While the Son is introduced in verse 9, the truth connected with Him as so regarded is not developed in this epistle. The apostle begins to exhort in verse 10 but it is "by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ". Authority was needed, and this is seen throughout, even in regard of the Lord's supper. Administration is in His name down here, this involves His absence.
The latter part of the chapter enlarges on what Christ is, as presented in the gospel. Wisdom is put before righteousness in verse 30. This is characteristic of the epistle, for local influences had to be met, and the dangers from human, that is, Greek wisdom were great. "Of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who has been made to us, wisdom from God, and righteousness, and holiness, and redemption". This is objective; verse 24 is subjective more: it refers to the estimate each of the classes mentioned had formed of Christ. To the Jews He was an offence; to the nations, foolishness; but to the Christians He was "God's power and God's wisdom". Although three classes are mentioned in verses 23 and 24, there are, in the final analysis, really but two, "them that perish" and "us that are saved", verse 18.
It will be noted that throughout this epistle God is made specially prominent, and what He is as in contrast to man. "Of him", says the apostle, "are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption". God had chosen certain ones in Corinth, generally from among those regarded as
insignificant in this world, and had given them a status in His world; He had placed them in Christ, whom He had made to them everything that they needed as before Him. Thus man, whatever his culture, is shut out; the believer is independent of all worldly supplies, for God has furnished him with everything he needs, making Christ all to him.
Of course, God is before us in all the epistles, indeed, in all Scripture, but He is peculiarly so here, as compared, for instance, with Colossians, where Christ is emphasised more. God was to be known in His assembly through the order and holiness seen there in contrast to what man is as seen in this world. It was "the testimony of God" that Paul had announced at Corinth, and his preaching was in every way in keeping with this. He had determined to know nothing among the saints there, but Jesus Christ and Him crucified. He was taken up with the order of Man that pleased God. The fact that such an One was crucified spoils all the glory of man in this world. The apostle's determination was in view of the general conditions at Corinth. Human education, social distinction, and the like had a great place in this Greek city, and the introduction of God, as presented in Jesus Christ crucified, in Paul's testimony, struck at the root of all this.
Paul was in full accord, in the manner of his ministry, with what he ministered. He avoided all that would appeal to the flesh, and his word was "in demonstration of the Spirit and of power", that the Corinthians' "faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God". These believers had thus a wonderful opportunity to start well; they had some eighteen months of Paul's work and manner of life. Not only did they have his doctrine but also the spirit and power in which he ministered; that was an immense advantage, which the saints at Rome did not have, when the
epistle to them was written. The apostle, having weighed the peculiar influences of a city like Corinth judged that he would know nothing there but "Jesus Christ, and him crucified". Such knowledge is the only effective antidote to human pride. It is of all importance now as the sure fortification against the spirit of Antichrist which denies "Jesus Christ come in the flesh", 1 John 4:3.
Having spoken of the subject matter and character of his ministry at Corinth, the apostle touches on what he ministered elsewhere, by way of contrast. He spoke wisdom among the perfect, but not the wisdom of this world, but "the wisdom of God in a mystery". The Corinthians were carnal, "babes in Christ". They were Christians, being "in Christ" but had not gone on; they had not grown. Evidently they had not grown as they should have, even under the apostle's influence, for eighteen months should have taken them out of the babe state, which is passed for a much longer time in the spiritual, than it is in natural history. The Thessalonians got on better; they had the apostle a much shorter time.
The "babe" state among Christians is generally marked by undue recognition of gift or signal ability in others, which tends to partisanship. Compare chapter 1: 11 - 13. The blind man of Bethsaida in Mark 8 is an illustration; the Lord led him out of the town before He opened his eyes. In the town sin is concentrated, and hence the peculiar danger there for young Christians. The blind man, having his eyes opened, first saw men as trees walking; men would thus be unduly great in his estimation; this is always the danger, but afterwards he saw all men clearly.
One object in this epistle to the Corinthians is to teach the Lord's people how to form a right judgment of everything. We are to have a true estimate of every man and every thing; "he that is spiritual
judgeth all things", as is said in our chapter. Among the perfect; that is, those whose moral senses were fully developed, the apostle spoke "the wisdom of God in a mystery". This suggests Colossians and Ephesians. In Colossians 2:3 all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are said to be hid in the mystery and in Ephesians 3:10 the "all-various wisdom" of God is spoken of as seen in the assembly.
The Corinthians were unable to take in such light, being but little beyond the natural man as to their practical state; their spiritual ability was very limited notwithstanding their great advantages. Although richly endowed with gift they made but poor use of it, and this was a sad discrepancy, but alas! constantly noticeable among the people of God. The Corinthians seem to have regarded gifts almost as playthings, things to adorn and distinguish them as men in this world, whereas they are precious endowments, by which, as given by Christ the Head, the assembly is to be edified and instructed.
Presently the wisdom of God shall be manifested in all its various workings, but now it is hidden; it is in mystery now, and is thus ministered to those who appreciate it and can understand it. It was "ordained before the world for our glory". Wonderful surety! The princes of the world knew nothing of it, or they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. Jesus on earth was the expression of it. Wisdom is personified in Proverbs 8, but it took form in Christ when become Man. Luke presents it to us, especially in chapter 7, where wisdom shines in a remarkable way, and is there said to be "justified of all her children". Note the centurion and the woman in Simon's house.
A distinction has to be made between the revelation of God in Christ and the things revealed by the Spirit. "Things which eye has not seen and ear not heard" are revealed to us by the Spirit. They are prepared for those who love God. "The Spirit searches all
things, even the depths of God". The astronomer searches the heavens with his telescope, but the Spirit searches the blessed depths of divine love and reveals the wonders that are there. They are for the Christian; things there are prepared for us. When God prepared the heavens wisdom was there; how much more was so in the preparation of our things! These things being spiritual and of God are altogether outside the range of the natural man; he is carnal and they are spiritual. Not valuing them, he does not receive them, and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the believer, having the Holy Spirit, has the ability to know the things that are freely given to us of God. Further, normally, he has the mind of Christ; thus he is able to think as Christ does. In measure he judges, or takes account of men and things as Christ does
Wisdom is more prominent in this epistle than righteousness, although, of course, the latter has its place. The fact that the order that should mark the house of God is in view explains this. There is great evidence of divine wisdom in the structure of the epistle. Wisdom is the handmaid of love, and love in peculiar fervency underlay what the apostle wrote. The Corinthians were his "beloved children", and the apostle's communications to them were in genuine fatherly affection, although largely taking the form of warning and admonition. Chapter 2 emphasises the spiritual, but the Corinthians, alas! were not spiritual. Although they had the Holy Spirit, they were but "babes in Christ". The subject of spirituality is brought forward so that the Corinthians might realise their poverty in this respect. Chapter 13 has the same bearing in regard of love. "The spiritual discerns all things, and he is
discerned of no one". How great is the advantage he possesses! Normally the Christian has the mind of Christ; he has no puzzles. Although undiscerned by the worldlings about him, yet the spiritual man has no dark parts; he is transparent, and quite well understood by those who are like himself. The Lord in John 15, verses 26 and 27, distinguishes between the testimony of the twelve, as having been with Him from the beginning, and that of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 2 the Holy Spirit is the instrument of revelation, and He is also the power in the believer for understanding the things revealed. He is the Spirit which is of God. The twelve bore witness to Christ, as He was here, "all the words of this life"; the Holy Spirit, through Paul, brings in the heavenly things.
Although the Corinthians had the Holy Spirit, they were carnal; the apostle fed them, however, but this could not be with meat, but with milk. Their carnality was largely evidenced in partisanship; this usually appears in young or stunted Christians. In the world partisanship is legalised, and this is true in Christendom also, but it is a most baneful thing among the people of God. Scarcely anything is more hateful to a spiritual man than that he should be regarded as the leader of a party. It must have been very painful to Paul. The Corinthians walked "as men". To do this does not necessarily involve what is outwardly sinful. It works out in natural preferences and selections. It is quite natural for a man to like another of his own rank or education. National prejudices, too, come under this head. In a word, the principles that mark the world are here condemned as appearing among Christians. For a brother to accept the fealty of others in any sense, or to aim at being a recognised leader, is a serious matter; it can only serve the enemy's designs. It makes for division among the saints.
Paul's careful judgment as to what he should present to the Corinthians is very striking; it was "Jesus Christ, and him crucified". The blessed character of that Man presented to them in Paul's ministry was calculated to lay a foundation in their souls, that would, if truly accepted, save them from the very evils they were allowing. The blind man of Mark 8 who had his eyes opened, first saw "men as trees, walking". He is a type of the Corinthians and, alas! of many at the present time; subsequently "he saw all things clearly". Following this in Mark 8 Peter confesses that Jesus was "the Christ". Normal progress is indicated in this. The Lord inquired of the disciples, "Whom do ye say that I am?" Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ of God". Here in 1 Corinthians 3, the question is, "Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos?" They were ministering servants through whom the Corinthians had believed; but Jesus is "the Christ of God", the anointed Man, by whom God effects all that is in His heart.
There are two figures employed here, agricultural and architectural. As to the first, Paul had planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. Without the "increase", which is from God alone, the planting and the watering were useless, and so it ever is. This thought, as constantly before the mind of the servant, keeps him humble and dependent. The Corinthians were "God's husbandry" and "God's building". Husbandry gives the idea of life in its normal development and position; building would be in view of a sphere, where life is enjoyed. In Luke 15, the house is in view as the place of enjoyment. Paul was a wise master-builder and laid the foundation, and "another buildeth thereon". The reference is to a building just started; the symmetry and beauty of it are not yet apparent. There is not much to see yet, but much work to be done. The important consideration was as to how one would build, and
what material he would use. "Let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon"; "the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is". A very large number were employed by Solomon in building the temple, and many have been engaged in building the spiritual structure: hence the necessity for the apostle's instructions here.
Besides being God's husbandry and building the Corinthians were His temple. The truth of the temple is a great feature in Christianity. It is connected with the presence of the Spirit of God in the saints. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" In Ephesians and 1 Peter God's building is presented more concretely. In Peter the stones are said to be living, so that the material is prominent; the same is true of Matthew 16. The complete structure is in view in Ephesians and Christ is said to be the chief corner stone. In Him "all the building fitted together increases to a holy temple in the Lord". Divine communications are received in the temple; the blessed light of God in Christ as Man is diffused from it. The Psalmist speaks of inquiring in God's temple. Those who avail themselves of it have the mind of God about things. They are not in doubt, they know. It is wonderful how things become clear when they are considered in connection with the saints, as having the Spirit of God.
The closing verses of chapter 3 enable us to see the relation between the congregation and the ministers. Paul, Apollos, and Cephas are said to belong to the Corinthians. "All things are yours", the apostle says,. "whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours". All the
gifts are given to the assembly and for its up-building; so no one should assume to be in charge of "the flock"; he is the servant of the saints. That is what this passage teaches us. Of course, Paul was more than that, because he was a minister of Christ, and a steward of the mysteries of God. This shows the great place the assembly has, for all things belong to it; a fact that we forget. We may think that possessing a little bit of land adds to us as Christians. It does not, because "all things are yours". The saints as joint-heirs of Christ, are the heirs of all things. "Therefore let no man glory in men". Elsewhere we are enjoined to honour those who minister in the things of God, hence the importance of reading every part of Scripture in its context. Men here would be taken account of in a natural way, not as spiritual leaders. The Corinthians were making party leaders of local men. Christendom is divided up into parties as suggested here. One says he is of Paul, another of Apollos. Christendom is founded on that principle; and the thing is legalised, for denominations are accepted as right. It is a serious matter and condemned in this letter.
Although the gifts are for the assembly, each servant is responsible directly to the Lord as regards his ministry. He is not controlled by the congregation. Ordinarily, the pastor, so called, is owner of the flock, or the flock owns him. He is either, a paid servant, subservient to the wishes of the congregation, the congregation being his master; or, if he has sufficient moral weight, or mental power to sway all, he is lord over God's heritage. This epistle is the antidote to all that, because it states that Paul and Apollos and Cephas belong to all the saints, but the Lord's right to control and direct His servants is carefully guarded. "Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God". In that way the
servant is directly responsible to Christ; "to his own master he standeth or falleth".
Then later we have, "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge", 1 Corinthians 14:29. So the saints are regarded as in a position to judge as to a man's doctrine. It is remarkable in Antioch where the Spirit asserts Himself as supreme in the assembly. He says, "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them", Acts 13. He did not simply say to Barnabas and Saul, 'You go to the Gentiles'. He told the saints to separate those two men, and then He sends them out as separated and as obtaining the fellowship of the saints, and after they had fulfilled their mission, they returned to Antioch. It says, "they sailed away to Antioch whence they had been committed to the grace of God for the work which they had fulfilled. And ... ... they related to them all that God had done with them", Acts 14:26, 27. The apostle had transferred the things of which he had been speaking to himself and to Apollos, that the Corinthians might learn in them not to think of men above what is written. The passage reads, "And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another". Although he used his own name and that of Apollos and Cephas, he really referred to certain local leaders. The brethren were being divided up into sects, each having his favourite teacher; so he brings in these great facts to show the folly of it. Now, if you follow what he says, about himself, you will see that he did not want to be a leader. It is a very poor thing to want to be a leader merely for the sake of being prominent. He goes on to say, "For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if
thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?" Then, verses 9 - 13, "For I think that God had set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling-place; and labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day".
What a remarkable description of the apostle's experience! He is seen as a very humble man in contrast to the leaders in Corinth who were really puffed up. So he says, "It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea I judge not mine own self ... ... but he that judgeth me is the Lord". He leaves it all with the Lord. What an example for servants we have here! Men subject to like passions as we are; but they were so subject and self judged that they were content to be marked by what is outlined here. It has been said that we should be prepared to go to the wall. Paul evidently had gone to the wall as regards position in this world. Think of the word, Filth! "We are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things". Remarkable expression! This is the path the flesh would not tread. There were those in Corinth also who were treading quite a different path. They were reigning as kings, but they were reigning without the apostle. He was not indifferent to the way they regarded him, because in truth, they were not making him a leader, it was local men. Their estimation of Paul only indicated
where they were spiritually. Spiritual Christians value spiritual men and spiritual ministry. So he says: "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus have I begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me".
Parentage, in a spiritual sense, is a very wonderful thought; it is more than simply giving light; Paul had begotten them in Christ Jesus through the gospel. The truth was, that although he was their spiritual father, they were not characteristically his children; they were not formed after him. Timothy was formed like him, he bore the character of Paul. "For this cause", he says, "I have sent to you Timotheus, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord". It is as if a man had a large family, and all were disobedient but one; he has one like himself, one true child. Paul says in effect, 'I have sent you Timotheus, my beloved child; he is just like myself, so that you may have a conception of what a child of mine should be'. Of Timothy Paul said to them, "who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every assembly".
Paul's character and teaching were the same everywhere. "I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you". That is fatherly affection. What was the trouble? These saints had a year and a half of instruction from Paul, more favoured than other saints and yet there was a poor result. It shows the incorrigibility of the flesh unless it is judged. Unless we judge the flesh we do not make headway. Timothy was a bright contrast to the Corinthians; he was faithful. He had a good mother, as well as a good father in Paul. I suppose the Corinthians were lacking in the maternal side. Timothy had a good mother and a good grandmother; 2 Timothy 1:5.
Coming to the end of the chapter, we see how Paul would act if he came among them, how he would deal with those who were puffed up. He says, "But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power". Then he raises the question, "What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?" It was for them to decide how he should come. If they continued in their self-will, he would have to come with a rod. If the apostle Paul were to come now into Christendom, with all the authority vested in him by Christ, what a state of things he would find! What would he do? Suppose he came with a rod, which represented his authority, how serious it would be. It raises the question as to where I am in my soul and in my associations, whether I am in a position to which the rod would apply.
The next, chapter 5, shows what the rod signifies, It is the principle of the rod, because it involves Paul's authority as well as their responsibility. "For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed". Then he goes on to say; "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus". He must apply the rod in this particular case. The thing is too flagrant; it must be dealt with. If it is not dealt with the saints will become wholly leavened, and the apostle would not have that. It was a very salutary dealing because it preserved them. In a sense he puts his rod into their hands, for the formal act of excision would be theirs. It should take place when they were gathered together.
In our day apostolic authority is lacking, but this chapter teaches us that evil cannot be countenanced among the people of God, whatsoever our weakness. First he says: "Ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned". We can do that, we can mourn, we can be humbled about the thing.
Delivering to Satan was by apostolic authority. No one could assume to do that now. If we come together in repentance the Lord would come in. If we are exercised, and humbled, and mourn, the evil person would be taken away; that is, the Lord would act Himself and take away the wicked person from among the saints, or the Lord would help us to clear ourselves, for we cannot go on with sin The first great point to see is that the evil must be dealt with. That is most important. If we have not power to deal with the sin, we should be humbled about it; but we must never allow the idea that it can be left alone. Sin must be judged, and the guilty person, if he does not judge himself, must be refused. That is the ground we take in our souls.
Paul says, "When ye are gathered together, and my spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ to deliver such an one unto Satan", etc.. This involves administrative prerogative in the assembly, augmented by the apostolic rod, only you have delivering to Satan, which, as far as I know, is limited to apostolic authority. The assembly does bind on earth, and what is bound on earth is bound in heaven, but delivering to Satan seems to be an apostolic prerogative. Paul speaks in 1 Timothy 1:20, of doing it himself without reference to the assembly. He puts the "ye" first here in verse 4 of our chapter. "The power of our Lord Jesus Christ" connects with the assembly. We have not the apostle's spirit now, but we have the Holy Spirit, and so
"the power of our Lord Jesus Christ". They are distinct things. "The power of our Lord Jesus Christ" would be ever available to the assembly, but here the saints are augmented by Paul's authority, because the case was so serious.
It is hardly in keeping with our circumstances to assume the power to deliver to Satan now, although this passage remains as light. It is better to be humble and recognise that there are many Christians who are not walking in fellowship fully, and yet you cannot assume that they are wicked persons. The conditions in which we are today are different from those at Corinth. Sin must be dealt with, as we said; and this scripture shows the mind of God as to it. It is a question of how the discipline is to be executed; that is, whether now it should not be by an action of withdrawal from wickedness, or a wicked person as Paul indicates in 2 Timothy 2. Is not this the principle that should govern the saints now rather than formal excommunication; that is, "put away" which involves the assumption to have authority. Verses 4, 5, 7, and 13 involve assembly action, only verse 4 emphasises the power available to execute the discipline. "Taken away from among you", in verse 2, is not the same thing as "put away from among yourselves", in verse 13. The former would be the Lord's direct, or indirect, action; the latter the assembly's which as expressed in this passage involves authority for public administration.
While judging sin according to the holiness of God, even as at the beginning, and refusing to walk with a wicked person, it seems that humility in us in a day of brokenness would avoid assuming public authority now. Still, the person convicted of sin, which he has not judged and forsaken, must be told that he is unfit for Christian fellowship, and that the saints can no longer walk with him. Undoubtedly
the Lord confirms such an attitude on the part of His people, and the effect in result will be the same as it was at Corinth. Indeed, the Lord's discipline goes on constantly with us according to the state of our hearts. If a man eats the Lord's supper, unjudged in his own soul, he comes under judgment from the Lord. The saints may not discern his state, because his outward demeanour may be quite correct, but his inward state being wrong the Lord deals with that. We must deal with overt acts. The Lord cuts an unjudged person off, as Paul says, "for this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep". It is an exercising thing to be made sick, because the Lord may be dealing with us. Some are cut off; that is, by death.
2 Timothy is, of course, quite in accord with the teaching here, but in it the Lord provides for the altered conditions in which the saints find themselves in the last days. To the Corinthians Paul said, "Do ye not judge them that are within?" That word "within" referred to the Christian profession then. The Christian profession comes under the eye of Christ, and God judges in it. You will find eventually that Christendom will be judged. The Corinthians should then have done it, but we cannot do it now. We judge Christendom in a way, but we have no power to change it. All you can do is to set yourself right in regard to what is unclean, and to walk with those who are clean. We know that when the Lord Jesus comes the thing will be dealt with. The addresses to the seven assemblies show what He thinks about things. At the same time, you enjoy the light of 1 Corinthians. In the last chapter of the Old Testament the word is, "Remember the law of Moses, my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments"; the whole law. The whole New Testament holds good in the truth of it now.. We have the light
of it, only we are regarded as children of wisdom, and so able to act wisely. We do not act pretentiously; a few such as we are now cannot assume to act as the assembly did before the breakdown occurred. Yet as said already, we must not tolerate sin.
The thought of headship is designedly brought in before the Lord's supper. The order that God has ordained in creation is seen first. We should observe that it is not husband and wife here; but simply man and woman. The teaching in this passage should work out in the assembly. It is not simply that one is head of his wife. Headship is in the man, and this is a denial of the modern theory of women's equality.
Every woman has a head in this sense. In principle she has a head in the man, whoever he may be. There is a difference between this teaching and that in Ephesians 5 where the truth of Christ and the assembly comes out. "I speak concerning Christ and the church". Here in 1 Corinthians 11, the assembly is not specially referred to, although the truth stated is really not seen elsewhere. It is the order that God has prescribed in the creation. "The head of every man is Christ; and the head of Christ is God". Public order is in view here, whereas in Ephesians it is more a question of affection and the subjection that goes with it. "Doth not even nature itself teach you?" would hardly fit Ephesians.
If a man does not avail himself of his Head he is disregardful of the order that God has set in creation. The injunction as to women having a covering on the head is very much neglected. What we have to deal with first of all is far more serious than that; it is the assumption that women are on an equality in every sense with men. It is, I believe, a feature
of the final apostasy. If this great principle that God has set up in creation is denied in the world generally, it should be seen in the Lord's people. Indeed, it is among them only that we can hope to see it, but it will become manifest in the habitable world to come, because Christ will then be seen in that position, and the relative position of man in regard of woman shall be manifested. It is to be seen now in the way of testimony in the assembly of God, for this epistle insists on the order that is suitable to the house of God.
It is very important, that in the matter of prayer, which indicates dependence on God, this order should be recognised. So a man's head is to be uncovered and a woman's covered in praying, "because of the angels". "Praying or prophesying"; speaking to God or for God. "For man is not of woman, but woman of man. For also man was not created for the sake of the woman, but woman for the sake of the man. Therefore ought the woman to have authority on her head, on account of the angels". Then it says, "Does not even nature itself teach you?" You have the words created and nature, showing that it is a question of the order God has established for the working out of divine wisdom. When Christ was born the angels celebrated it saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good pleasure in men". (Luke 2:14) That was what they saw in view. This order here is bound up in the good pleasure, which must, necessarily, call for the order that God has prescribed.
The woman, being in the transgression failed to observe her head. If she had recognised Adam's headship she would have been saved. The enemy knew where to attack; he did not attack Adam directly, and we may say that at that time God was Adam's Head; he should have turned to God. He reversed the order involved in his position in
listening to the woman. Although you would rather see the things itself without the sign; that is, the covering on the head, than the sign without the thing, yet, the sign is important. This epistle is full of details as to the order that God requires. He says, "Now I praise you, that in all things ye are mindful of me; and that as I have directed you, ye keep the directions". He makes that a matter of praise on their behalf, so that nothing is unimportant in that way.
I think Proverbs 8 suggests the primary thought. Wisdom was there at the beginning and her delights were with the sons of men. Even so Christ's administrative service would have in view the bringing about of such an order of things. The kingdom is to that end. That is what the angels had before them. They did not celebrate the kingdom, but that God would be glorified and have good pleasure in men, and the kingdom is to that end. Headship is a principle that shall remain, but lordship ceases, we may say, when Christ gives up the kingdom to the Father.
When Paul comes to speak of the assembly in verse 17, he begins with the Lord's supper. Love is to be the great ruling principle in the assembly, but, as formally together, the men have their heads uncovered and the women have theirs covered. The apostle is now entering on the great truth of the outward order of the assembly, and he shows the Corinthians at the outset that when ... ... they came together into one place, it was "not to eat the Lord's supper". It was a serious matter he was to bring up. He says, "I do not praise, namely, that ye come together, not for the better, but for the worse". This was a serious thing, so he would correct it. In the Lord's supper we are committed to fidelity to Christ. We should be intelligent as to what we are bound up with, for every time we eat the bread and drink the cup we commit
ourselves to what it involves. On the other side it is most blessed, for it represents love; it is the great expression of Christ's love.
On our side the loaf involves a "brotherly covenant". Amos says, referring to Tyrus, that he "remembered not the brotherly covenant". (Amos 1:9) 1 Corinthians 10 is on that principle; "We being many, are one loaf, one body; for we all partake of that one loaf" (verse 17): but chapter 11 is what Christ is toward us. We are to be in accord with this, but as being one body we must be true to one another also. Chapter 10 refers to our walk outside; chapter 11 to our behaviour inside.. "So that whosoever shall eat the bread, or drink the cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty in respect of the body and of the blood of the Lord". Nothing can be more serious than sin in respect of that, as it says, "guilty in respect of the body and of the blood of the Lord". The body and the blood of Christ refer to the greatest possible evidence of His love to us, His death. Failure here brings in the direct discipline of the Lord. "Unworthily" refers to conduct when we are gathered to eat the Lord's supper. At Corinth the rich and poor ate separately, it was in an "unworthy manner" as the outcome of a bad state of soul. He says, "For each one in eating takes his own supper before others, and one is hungry and another drinks to excess".
"But let a man examine himself and so let him eat". This implies that we are to discern the state of our souls as we partake of the Lord's supper. "Let a man prove himself" refers to self-judgment before God. These chapters come home in increasing force to the saints in the closing days. Sin is becoming accentuated and is coming in in many varied forms; and Satan would overwhelm the saints through it. The Lord's supper is, in that way, a bulwark for us, for in it we are brought back to what is suitable to
God, the death of Christ being the testimony to this.
In chapter 10 we have what refers to our public walk and associations, and in chapter 11 our state before God and the manner of our behaviour when we come together. We should judge ourselves at all times, but in a peculiar way as we partake of the Lord's supper. The Lord has His eye on every one of us, in a special way, I believe, as we are at the Supper. "On this account many among you are weak and infirm, and a good many are fallen asleep. But if we judged ourselves, so were we not judged. But being judged, we are disciplined of the Lord". That is not assembly discipline. It is what the Lord Himself does.
The Corinthians should have been able to adjust one another. We ought to know what is suitable, and if a brother is not taking part suitably when we come together, there ought to be grace to tell him so, things should not be allowed to pass. The Lord may act in discipline today, on the principle spoken of here, for if sin is not judged by us, the Lord will come in. Did He not act thus our state would be such that He could not go on with us. From 2 Corinthians 12:21 we learn that there was wickedness at Corinth that had not been judged even through the light ministered in the first epistle, but what they failed to do, the Lord was already doing, nothing is overlooked. If the apostle visited the Corinthians he would judge and bewail what they overlooked.
The great feature in the Lord's supper, as seen in this chapter, is the calling of the Lord to mind, it is a memorial to Christ for the affections of the saints. "Not distinguishing the body" refers to the body of Christ. If one does not see that it is His body in view, they are looking at the mere material things. The body of Christ is that in which the will of God was perfectly carried out. It is very
serious to slight His body. Christian intelligence is supposed in this epistle. "I speak as to intelligent persons; do ye judge what I say?" Understanding is a great feature of Christianity. In the parable of the sower in Matthew 13, the seed which fell by the wayside did, in a measure, get into the man's heart, but he was not understanding it, so Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in his heart. The understanding grips the truth, and so it finds a fixed place in the heart; thus the enemy cannot take it away.
The word "concerning" would suggest that there had been inquiry as to the subject. The whole epistle is largely built on reports and inquiries which had arisen from the untoward things that had come into the assembly. The early chapters especially indicate this. If a person spoke in spiritual energy the saints were to judge what that energy was, whether the Holy Spirit or some other spirit. There was a test given as to whether the man was speaking by the power of the Spirit of God, or by another spirit. Tests are helpful, although they may be negative in some instances. Saying, "Curse on Jesus", or anything that would involve that, anything that would be derogatory to Christ, however much energy and influence he might have, it would not be the Holy Spirit. There is an idea with some in Christendom that if there is spiritual manifestation it is something commendable, as though there was only one kind of spiritual manifestation; therefore, what is devilish shelters behind that state of things.
"No one can say, Lord Jesus, unless in the power of the Holy Spirit". In the epistle of John we are told to prove the spirits. "Every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ come in flesh is not of God". (1 John 4:3) "Lord Jesus" would imply reality. It would be
what one says from one's heart. The condition here spoken of would come about possibly through natural relationships, that is, households would be mixed, some still connected with demon worship, perhaps a sister or a brother, therefore, the solemnity of the warning. Christ is the test. The place He has as Man is the test. Satan will admit much in regard of Christ, but that He is Lord he will not admit, unless he is forced to. He will not admit it voluntarily. Thank God, he will be forced to. In a certain sense, it may take place now; but he will not admit the place that Christ has, as conveyed in the expression "Lord Jesus", voluntarily. Whereas, it is the expression that one who loves Christ uses. Paul says, "Remember the words of the Lord Jesus". They seem to be the expression used by one who loves and reveres Him. You will not find men generally employing the expression "Lord Jesus". The Holy Spirit would produce the love which would employ this expression.
There is a difference between Romans 10 and this confession. In Romans 10 it means that that Man is Lord. Here it is the expression of your love and reverence. It is not simply that the speaker is acknowledging Him as Lord; the way he refers to Him is in view. Having given the test whereby the saints would discern the spirits, he goes on to develop the unity that marks the operations of the Holy Spirit. We have mentioned; gifts, services and operations. First "the same Spirit"; secondly, "the same Lord;" and thirdly "the same God". It is a parallel passage with Ephesians, where it is said: "There is one body, and one Spirit ... ... one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father". This is also to show how unity marks all, whether it be the gifts, administrations, or operations. Variety in unity is what marks what is of God.
The Godhead is seen here, the Spirit, the Lord
and the Father. In the wide circle embracing the government of the universe, there is not anything to jar with the smallest operation. The operations of the Persons in the Godhead have one end in view; it is unity in variety. God's operations are universal, including government; it is a great rest to the heart to know that He is working in everything and that all He is doing is in connection with His own great scheme. So government does not jar with what is being carried on by the Holy Spirit.
As regards specific gifts, as we may call them, God gives them according to this epistle, and Christ gives them according to Ephesians. Here the kind of gifts which the Spirit gives are stated: "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another diverse kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues; but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit dividing to every man severally as he will". The specific gifts are mentioned at the end of the chapter as "set in the assembly" not in the body. The gifts of the Spirit are just as enumerated here, and they may be found today. Of course, there would be modifications in regard of tongues, etc., but if the Holy Spirit is allowed His place there are those which are essential.
God's operations in the way of government would make room for the operations of the Spirit. Hence you pray for those in authority so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life. The operations of God in government are with a view to preserve what is of Himself there. Thus the gospel testimony goes out. Government restrains evil and limits it so that the gospel should be presented. Hence, Antichrist has not
been allowed to develop and will not be while the gospel era continues. In some parts of the world today there is hardly any liberty for the testimony of God. A poor government is better than no government. So Paul enjoins prayer for the government in his day, and it was then when Nero was in power.
The body is introduced here to show the interdependence of the members. It is not that I must not say, but "cannot say". It says: "The eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee". Viewed spiritually we cannot do without each other. Every member should understand his place and responsibility and not altogether depend on the gifts. Christians, therefore, suffer untold loss because all are not walking in the truth. One who assumes he can get on independently shows he is not spiritual. The greatest member cannot do without that which is least. What the Spirit of God frowns upon is the spirit of independence. But "all the members of the body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ". He cannot do without the least any more than we can do without the greatest; in fact, there are organs in the body which, perhaps, very few of us know about, but they are essential to its life. The least, as well as the greatest, has been placed there by divine wisdom and forethought. If we realised our membership one to another we would see to it that there should be no thought of separation that could be righteously avoided. So the discipline spoken of in chapter 5 is in order to save the man. The man must be preserved. When the tribe of Benjamin had been separated from for a righteous cause, as seen in Judges, the break in the unity was felt by the others, a brother was lost to them. They grieved over it and eventually they came to God about it, and God heard them and restored them their lost brother, and there was unity in Israel again.
The gifts of the Spirit as enumerated here refer to what may have developed at Corinth or in any assembly at that time; but the specific gifts are set in the order of their relative importance. "God hath set certain in the assembly, first apostles", etc.. That refers to the whole assembly, not simply the assembly at Corinth.
It is a question of the organism when you come to the body. It is a different idea from the assembly; but brought in here in regard to independency. For instance, "If the foot say, Because I am not a hand I am not of the body". Why should it say that? That is the element of independency Then we have what we cannot say, that is the correction. A brother may say he can get along without another, but spiritually he cannot.
If gift has been given, the saints should recognise it. The recognition of gift is the recognition of the Spirit. A gift would carry weight. Those who refuse the gift would not get the good of it; but the man who has the gift develops in strength; although they may refuse, they lose, he does not. Generally, however, a man is more likely to suffer from over appreciation than from under appreciation.
In Corinth they underestimated Paul, but he points to themselves as a testimony to his apostolic gift. Some of them were defying him; but he says: "I will come to you shortly ... and will know, not the speech of them that are puffed up, but the power".
The subject of gifts, or spiritual manifestations is dealt with in chapters 12, 13, and 14. Chapter 13 is to set things in their right relation. The subject is introduced in the beginning of chapter 12. "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant". The end in view is the building up of the assembly. The value of the gift is seen in this
work of building up. Hence the importance of love introduced in chapter 13. Aside from the possession of love, the gift is valueless. So, having brought in at the end of chapter 12 how God had set certain gifts in the assembly, and giving the list of the gifts, he says: "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way"! LOVE is the "more excellent way", and it is the normal possession of every Christian. Chapter 13 places in its own position of importance as compared with gifts. It is inconceivable that these gifts should exist aside from love, but they are treated as by themselves in their relative value.
If the assembly remained as it was at the beginning, the gifts of the Spirit would be unhindered; they would be developed in each local assembly undoubtedly. But the gifts enumerated in the closing verses of chapter 12 appeared in the assembly as a whole. "God has set certain in the assembly". That was not the local assembly at Corinth, but the assembly in its entirety as set up on earth. Love is distinguished here as the greatest thing, because it is what God is, and so it is that which abides. Love is what I am; gift is what I have.. If I have not love, I am nothing. A man's stature is not his gift but his love. In the house of God a man is to be measured by his love, not by the good address he may give to the saints, nor the good gospel he may preach, nor what he may possibly give away. We need to expand our idea of love. We sometimes think it is merely the expression of affection to one another; but viewed as we get it here it is something greater than that. Of course, it includes affection for one another; but it may even take the form of severe judgment, for everything that God does is the outcome of love. So it is love by itself that is treated here. It is not brotherly love exactly, but love by itself in the various ways in which it works
out in Christians, as John's epistle teaches. Love had not really been known before the death of Christ. "Hereby we have known love, because he has laid down his life for us". There were individual expressions of love before; but love, as it is in God, was not really known until Christ died, and it is that love which is treated of here. The traits of it as described here came out perfectly in the Lord Himself when here on earth.
Everything that God does is in some way an expression of His love. All must be traced back to that, for that is the one thing He is said to be. Of course He is said to be light, but that is relative; He is essentially love and never anything else, so all that He does must necessarily be the result of that, hence, love, in the assembly as it is treated here, works out in the same way. All that is done in the assembly should be the outcome of that, even though it may be discipline. It covers righteousness and holiness if we contemplate it in its full meaning. So in the working of discipline righteousness and holiness are essential to the proper showing of love; only righteousness and holiness are to be regarded as attributes. Love is not so regarded, for it is essentially what God is.
It may be said that the lake of fire is the result of righteousness and not of love, but it is the outcome of love in God. The limitation of evil is entirely according to the love of God; that evil should he circumscribed and rendered ineffectual is surely a great mercy. In Revelation we have Satan cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal put upon him for a thousand years. But after the thousand years, having been loosed out of his prison, he is cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and the false prophet are: and he has no power there, for he is not only circumscribed, but in an area in which the judgment of God is complete and final.
Any one who knows what sin is is thankful for that. That helps us to have a better knowledge of what the death of Christ really was. Evil seems to be taken lightly, because we are not sufficiently acquainted with the nature of God as seen in the death of Christ. Evil is intolerable to divine love and must be disposed of in such wise that it is rendered ineffectual. It says: "The devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and false prophet are", and subsequent to that: "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire". That is wholly compatible with what God is - love; for God hates evil, and love in the believer hates evil also, because evil is destructive and demoralising. The more one comes in contact with sin the more relieved one is to know that God has such a means of disposing of it eventually.
The Spirit would carry us back to the death of Christ where it is all judged. The Holy Spirit appearing in Acts 2 in cloven tongues like as of fire brought in what God is against sin. There is always in the believer the means of judging and disallowing what is of the flesh. Here in 1 Corinthians 13 we have the qualities of love. "Love has long patience, is kind; love is not emulous of others; love is not insolent and rash, is not puffed up, does not behave in an unseemly manner, does not seek what is its own, is not quickly provoked, does not impute evil, does not rejoice at iniquity, but rejoices with the truth, bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails". All these traits were to be seen in the life of Christ. It is love as seen in Christ or the saints that is in view here, it is not as it is expressed in God Himself exactly.
"The more excellent way" is love. If one is greater than his gift it saves him from being proud of his gift. Reciprocation of affection is greater than any satisfaction one may get in the exercise
of one's gift. There is real joy in the exercise of one's gift in the power of the Spirit, but it is not equal to the joy we have together as brethren. Gift in the assembly would seem to be the means by which the avenues are opened, the food is suggested and brought in. The climax of all gift would be "the increase of the body to its self-building up in love". Ephesians 4:16. The gifts according to that chapter are for the edifying of the body of Christ; the body builds itself up in love. The gifts greatly add to it, but the organism is such that there is power for its self-building up; but if we despise the gifts from Christ we suffer loss. Christendom has lost sight of the organism, all there is made to depend on man to keep things going. The thought in this chapter is that love abides. Gifts, on the other hand, come to an end; that shows their relative value.
Chapter 14 treats of the gifts in exercise; the machinery, so to speak, is working. Chapter 13 is like the oil that enables it to go smoothly, so the greater part of the chapter is taken up with pointing out that the use of a sign gift may become a positive hindrance in a meeting, because it is not used intelligently. Paul speaks of the gift of tongues, as an illustration, to point out the danger of occupation with something which distinguishes you instead of your being concerned about what edifies. It would not apply to us today literally; but it would apply to any of us using what ability he may have for the sake of using it, without seeing that whatever one does in the assembly should be done with one end in view, and that is edification. What we are warned against here is precisely the thing which has brought in the outward ruin, that is, the prominence given to the individual. I am speaking broadly as to what has come to pass in the history of the assembly.
The Lord has helped in these days in raising up
"helps" through the whole assembly instead of one in a given centre. The Lord seems to be working so that the whole assembly is benefited. It is not that it is different from the Lord's original way, but it is more emphasised. I think the original way in Christianity is expressed in Proverbs: "The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands". That is the public position, they have no king; they have One really, but He is not visible.
The principle of a meeting arranged for two or three to speak is supposed in this chapter, as stated in verses 26 to 33. What is to be noticed is, that you should have something. What caused the trouble in Corinth was not that they had something, but they were not regulated in the use of what they had. We are supposed to have material, for it says: "When ye come together, each of you has a psalm", etc.. We may not have all these things, but there is the principle of having something for the saints, and the point here is to be regulated, so that all should get the benefit of what each one has. It would not be right to prepare anything for the meeting for the Lord's supper; but it is quite right to have things for other meetings. I certainly would urge that each brother should cultivate having a well-filled storehouse. But then, "the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets". If one has something he can wait for a suitable opportunity to give it out, only let us be sure that what we have is from the Lord. The Lord's supper is to make everything of Christ among us so that as a result He is there as Head. It would, therefore, be out of place to have something prepared with the intention of delivering it.
Clearly what is before us is that by which we should be regulated, namely, intelligence or understanding. It is not simply that the Holy Spirit suggests to you and to me what each should do; I should be regulated by my spiritual understanding
in what I do or say. So even though I have the thing, and have it clearly, yet I use my understanding as to whether that is the thing now. The apostle says: "I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing with the spirit, but I will sing also with the understanding". He does not say the Holy Spirit for it is his own spirit, that he thought of. You often hear one say, 'The Holy Spirit prompted me and I had to do it'. But that is not how matters stand in the assembly. The point in this chapter is the intelligence in which things are done there. So the speaker's own spirit is really under control; he is not subject to a powerful impulse which he cannot avoid. "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets".
We have following on this a general principle: "Let it be two, or at the most three". It seems to me, that it is a merciful provision of God when the saints come together, that there is this general limitation to public ministry. Meetings should not be prolonged so as to become wearisome. This chapter has in view, not exactly what is pleasing to God though, of course, He is always in view, but the effects things have on the hearers. It says: "If therefore the whole assembly come together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and simple persons enter in, or unbelievers, will they not say ye are mad?" Then, "Tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to unbelievers; but prophecy, not to unbelievers, but to those who believe". So in the assembly you are occupied with what is for believers. We have to get the principle of the things. We have not the gift of tongues now for it is hardly needed; but the point is that what we say in the assembly is for believers, for their edification. Even the giving of thanks to God may indirectly be for instruction. It has not that in view specially, but indirectly it has that effect. It is very edifying
to hear a brother give thanks in power. It is a great thing to have liberty in addressing God if it be but in five words.
Paul says: "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge". We are never supposed to be apart from exercise; we are either speaking or judging. Judging here is not criticising. The hearers should examine or prove what is ministered. This is the opposite to an indifferent or restless spirit, which, alas, is often seen. Judging is that you are interested in what is going on and forming an estimate of it. You are not ready to receive anything which is not of God. So the speaker is in that way in a position where he has to be careful and he is helped on that account. We have three things: edification, encouragement, and consolation.
It is to be noted that resurrection is left for the end of this epistle. Whereas it is referred to immediately in the second epistle to the Corinthians in chapter 2, verse 9. This, no doubt, was because of the state of things at Corinth when the first letter was written. Here it is treated in its full bearing in regard of death as opposed to God, rather than involving the special privilege of Christians now, as in Colossians. It is a question of God's power which the existence of death challenged, and that we could not know anything beyond the grave, was also challenged. "How say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?" The apostle takes occasion to show how the moral universe must be established in resurrection. It is presented therefore in relation to the general testimony of God rather than showing the special position of Christians now. In Colossians it is: "ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead". (Colossians 2:12) But here it is a question of
the testimony as Paul preached it in its full bearing. "But I make known to you, brethren, the glad tidings which I announced to you, which also ye received, in which also ye stand, by which also ye are saved ... ... unless indeed ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you, in the first place, what also I had received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried; and that he was raised the third day, according to the scriptures". I think it is well to see that he is dealing with the thing, as you might say, in its entirety. It is the subject itself being dealt with, although the effect should be that we are "Steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not vain in the Lord".
The burial of Christ, clears the ground entirely of the man who was offensive to God, in view of a new beginning for God; He having in grace taken the place of man according to the flesh. It reminds us of 2 Samuel 21 where all the bodies of the offenders had to be buried. It was after the burial that God was entreated for the land and was propitious. As if man has to learn what it says in the Psalms. "They die, and return to their dust". (Psalm 104:29) Speaking, I suppose, in irony of man's natural origin, he has to return to his dust, to the source of his being as regards his body, a very humbling thought. Christ has died vicariously, and was buried, and has submerged the offending man. "But now is Christ risen from the dead". It suggests Genesis 6, "The end of all flesh is come before me". All flesh was submerged. If He was buried, all flesh was removed from before the sight of God, nothing left of man according to the flesh. Crucifixion would be the character of His death which was public; but burial is putting wholly out of sight. Abraham said: "that I may bury my dead out of my sight". (Genesis 23:4) It is a remarkable statement.
Though he loved Sarah, yet as dead she should be out of his sight. There is no revival of that kind of man so "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him". It is a question now of resurrection.
Resurrection is not resuscitation. The triumph of God has been secured in a Man. The Man who comes out of death first is the Man who glorified God on earth. Resurrection involves that what comes up pleases God. The going down refers to what displeases, hence His burial is part of His vicarious work and the coming up is on account of what He is. "Christ the firstfruits" is the Man who glorified God on the earth. In Christ's resurrection something is introduced the like of which had never existed before. Lazarus, and the young man of Luke 7 and others were signs. They did not set forth the new order of man; they were brought back to the natural life. In Christ we see a Man invading the whole domain of death and bringing everything that Satan had plunged into it out of death, so that even the wicked dead will have to say to that Man. A Man will dispose of everything for God, both those who are of His order and the wicked.
A complete triumph for God has been secured in a Man. It is really a world out of death we come into It is well to take account of the fact that Christ had glorified God on earth before He died vicariously. His burial is the counterpart of His vicarious death. "Christ the firstfruits"; He begins the new order of things and all are brought up according to that, so the development of the teaching is; "As is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly". Only "It is raised in incorruption ... ... it is raised in glory ... ... it is raised in power ... ... it is raised a spiritual body". All these are details emphasising the character of the resurrection; but the fulness of it is: "As is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly". Thus we are made to correspond with
Christ, "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" He came from heaven and went to heaven.
There is a connection here with Leviticus 23. There we have Christ the firstfruits; without that there could be no place for the feast of weeks; that is, Pentecost. The one necessarily depends on the other. The sheaf waved before Jehovah by the priest, refers to Christ out of death; and afterwards the "two wave loaves were offered". God virtually says, 'This is what I am going to populate My universe with'. Here we have "Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming". It is a question of kind, of order, the grain of wheat. The Lord felt death fully; He says prophetically in Psalm 102"take me not away in the midst of my days". This shows that His death was not from weakness, but that He died in the vigour of manhood; but, then, He felt it: "Take me not away in the midst of my days". It was a surrender. The "much fruit" from "the corn of wheat" would include all the redeemed. The full result of His death would be seen in all that are His.
When the Sadducees raised the question of the resurrection the Lord said, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God". Then He cites that passage in Exodus 3"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living". The revelation God made to Abraham involved this, and then He made a covenant with him; namely, that of circumcision. The sign of circumcision in the body, typically involves the Holy Spirit. The presence of the Holy Spirit gives the certainty of resurrection. The Old Testament saints did not have that. Paul says, "For we are the circumcision which worship by the spirit of God, and boast in Christ Jesus, and do not trust in flesh",
Philippians 3:3. The Holy Spirit is the power by which are raised, so that we already have the victory. It is not only that we shall have it; but we have it. "Thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory". The truth of resurrection is taken up here only with the saints. Paul does not refer to the wicked dead here. Resurrection, as it is dealt with here, carries with it a moral thought; it is not resuscitation. The wicked dead shall be brought back; but the principle of resurrection results in a new order of things, that which is of God.
The first burial in Scripture is in the light of resurrection. Abraham bought a field in which to bury Sarah. It was bought in the light of resurrection. Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph had that spot in view. It is interesting that Isaac, as typifying Christ risen, was introduced before burial is mentioned. First, we have in Genesis 17"I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect". Then Isaac is brought in on that principle of God's almightiness. Then he is raised from the dead; received back in a figure. There is the idea of a new order of things in Isaac. The man out of death comes into view, and then the burial of Sarah.
Death is looked at as an enemy as it affects the saints of God. It is a penalty in regard of the wicked. It was a penalty on man as having sinned. Viewed as a penalty it is not an enemy, it is God's servant; but as Satan uses it against the people of God it is an enemy. It is dealt with in this chapter in regard of those who are affected by the power and life of Christ. "For as in Adam all die, eyen so in Christ all shall be made alive". That brings in the idea of headship. It does not include the wicked dead. Even as in Luke 20:38 "for all live unto him" refers to those who had faith.
Resurrection is the annulling of death for us. When I am taken out of death it has no power over
me; in fact, Colossians and Ephesians teach, that it has no power over us now; but it is annulled literally when we are taken out of the grave. An unconverted man is afraid to die; death is God's penalty on him. After the redeemed are taken out of death the wicked are still retained there; for them hades and death are a penalty. No one really understands death save those who have the Holy Spirit. Such understand the consequences of death, they see it first of all as a penalty. This chapter shows that the saints get the victory from that point of view. The wicked dead never get victory.
We have a figure in Goliath who had a sword, a figure of death, and he wielded it over the Israelites for forty days, typical of the period in which Satan held men in terror by death. David took it out of Goliath's hand and used it against him. Scripture teaches us that death is ours now; 1 Corinthians 3:22. But although Satan had the power of death, that power was annulled when Christ went into death. Satan could use it only as God permitted, as in Job's case he was not permitted to touch Job's life; Job 2:6. Satan has put many men to death; the martyrs witness to this.
The resurrection will apply to the wicked dead also. The Lord says, "The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation", John 5:28, 29. But they are simply brought back to be consigned to what is called "the second death", the lake of fire. Death is ours now in the sense in which we can apply it against the flesh; besides, that too, it may be the means of our departing to be with Christ.
"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death". A condition of things will be brought to pass in
which death will never have a footing again. Now, through faith, those "who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage" (Hebrews 2:15) are delivered. Primarily death was a penalty. God said, "In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". (Genesis 2:17) So that it says: "death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". (Romans 5:14) It is thus seen extending over the whole race of men; but in the Jordan it is seen in a condensed form as acting against God. It was an enemy, it was between the people of God and the land of promise. It is in connection with the land we see the full idea of the enemy and there it disappeared. The Red Sea did not disappear. Death remains on the earth today as it always did, emphasised sometimes more than at other times; but when you come to the Jordan the thing disappears, it is cut off out of sight; in fact, when the people came to the Jordan there was no water in it at all; that is what has come to pass for faith, so that we have the victory now. The nearer you get to death the more you realise it is so.
"All that are in the grave shall hear his voice, And shall come forth". (John 5:28,29) Individual identity will remain in the glorified state. The principle in regard to the condition of the man inwardly, applies to the outward; that is, the thing as to its character; for instance, now that we are born of God, we are inwardly "as is the heavenly". That refers to us as Christians already; but still we are known here on the earth as the same persons; there is no physical change; our identity remains. So, as regards the body, all that it shall be evidently comes out of heaven. "Raised in incorruption ... ... raised in glory ... ... raised in power ... ... raised a spiritual body". Nothing of that comes out of the earth, but from heaven; it is a question of the character of the thing. We shall
be recognisable as the same person. It is not that the body is brought down and formed at that moment; it is changed by the power of God; but yet it will be "our house which is from heaven". (2 Corinthians 5:2)
If it were a matter of God creating a new set of bodies in heaven, that would not convey the idea; that would take us back to the original thought of creation. The idea in resurrection is power, it shows what God can do, and in it there is testimony to God's absolute triumph, not only in Christ but in the saints, Resulting from the working of divine power, the body of humiliation is transformed like unto Christ's glorious body, "according to the working of the power which he has even to subdue all things to himself", Philippians 3:21. The subduing is being effected now in a moral way in the souls of the saints and the consummation of that will be when we get our bodies of glory. Paul says, "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body". God does it instantly. "We shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye". (1 Corinthians 15:52) So you can understand the force of the word; "the exceeding greatness of his power".
The body in which we are raised could not be identical in a material sense, because it is spiritual in contrast to the natural; but identity involves that the same features are there, so that we are recognisable. The Lord after His resurrection said: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see", (Luke 24:39) and yet it was a spiritual body. It is all set forth in the Lord. He is the pattern of what follows, only we must always guard what we say about the Lord going into death for He did not see corruption.
It is marvellous that God can do all this in a moment. "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye". The question as to what bodies Moses and
Elias appeared in is solved by the knowledge of God. The knowledge of God is the solution of all these problems; the Lord met the Sadducees by saying: "Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?" (Mark 12:24) We cannot naturally understand how Enoch was translated that he should not see death, nor in what body he was taken to heaven; but the knowledge of God in one's soul sets us at rest about it. Moses and Elias were recognisable. As we grow old resurrection is more appreciated. You come to the top of a hill, so to speak, and then you are able to see over and down. It is an immense thing to apprehend the truth of resurrection. Of course, it should be seen at the outset, but I think it becomes greatly accentuated as we grow old. When the ark went into the Jordan it was two thousand cubits from the people; but the nearer they got to the river the more they perceived the effect of the Ark being there; they saw that the water had disappeared.
John 5 distinguishes between quickening and raising: "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will". If you take that in its application to us at the present time, as in Colossians, we are said to be "risen with him through faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead ... And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him". (Colossians 2:12, 13) Being raised with Christ through the faith of the operation of God gives you a new footing or status; quickening gives you the inward power viewed in the order in which they occur literally "at the end". In Ephesians 2 we have quickening and then raising up; this latter, however, goes further than resurrection.
Verses 20 - 28 come in parenthetically as showing the full bearing of resurrection and then the end:
"When all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all". (1 Corinthians 15:28) That is what, I suppose, we may call the final, fixed order of things. The mediatorial kingdom of Christ is brought to an end so that God rests. He is all as the Object of the hearts of His creatures and in all as life.
The Spirit turning from speaking of the Lord as Christ to the Son in verse 28 brings out the workings of the divine Persons. It takes you back to John 5, where divine Persons are acting together: "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work". Now the Father has given all things into the hands of the Son, so it becomes a mediatorial system and He works until all is brought to God, when there is no disturbing element. Verse 35 introduces the question, "How are the dead raised up?" The apostle enlarges his answer so as to bring out the character of the body as it comes up, and then he says: "Behold, I show you a mystery"; he opens up the mystery of all this to the saints: "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump".
Pages 77 - 157, "The Purpose of God in a Day of Small Things", Detroit, 1919 (Volume 39).
J.T. It helps to make clear the position here if we note that these two prophets laboured together on account of a certain condition at Jerusalem, recorded in the fourth and fifth chapters of Ezra.
"Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem, unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power. Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius; king of Persia", Ezra 4:23. "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them, Then rose up Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and began to build the house of God which is at Jerusalem: and with them were the prophets of God helping them", Ezra 5:1, 2.
If we get the situation clearly before us we will see the circumstances under which they laboured, and how they not only spoke the word of the Lord, but also helped in the building.
F.L. I suppose there might be a suggestion in that there were two. I was thinking of the two witnesses in the Revelation. It is rather interesting to see, if you compare Haggai with Zechariah, that Haggai speaks, then there is an interval and Zechariah speaks; then there is an interval and Haggai speaks; then there is an interval again and Zechariah speaks. That is, the one supports the testimony of the other.
Compare Haggai 2:1; Zechariah 1:1; Haggai 2:10;. Zechariah 1:7.
J.T. Haggai in his messages, I think he received five, deals with the condition of the people, calling attention to the lethargy that had set in among them, in that they were dwelling in ceiled houses and the house of the Lord lay desolate. The first message creating a movement among them, there is a second one, and a third one; and then there is a fourth one on the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, and there is a fifth one on that same day. This fifth message, I think, lays the basis for Zechariah, because in the last message he speaks to Zerubbabel, who undoubtedly typifies the Lord Jesus in connection with the purposes of God.
Verse 20 of chapter 2 reads: "And again the word of the Lord came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; and I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen: and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the Lord, and will make thee as a signet; for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord of hosts".
F.L. I thought Haggai concerns himself particularly with the house and the glory of the house in connection with Christ; while Zechariah seems to concern himself more with the city, and the land, and the nations, and so develops a great deal more than Haggai.
J.T. Yes, and Haggai calls attention to the day on which they began to move and take account of things with God. Now he wishes that they should
note that day, for he says the blessing begins then. It says in chapter 2: 18, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the Lord's temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you".
An Israelite would value that day; he would go out occasionally to look at the different things to see how they were coming on. It would be a time of expectation from Jehovah from that point. The vine, and the fig tree, and pomegranate and olive had not as yet begun to bud, but now they were to watch for growth. That is, I suppose, the word of God moves us and we take account of His interests. We can find these four things in a spiritual sense developed; the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate and olive.
W.C.R. What is the spiritual significance of them?
J.T. Perhaps we had better turn to Judges 9:9: The olive tree says, "Should I leave my fatness; wherewith by me they honour God and man?" And the fig tree says, "Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit?" And the vine says, "Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man?" These three are there, that which honours God and man, that which cheers God and man, and the sweetness and good fruit. These are features that developed from that day, the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, and they are most essential things to have if we are set here in relation to the things of God. I suppose, the pomegranate would be typical of unity.
F.L. You get that from the garment of the high priest?
J.T. Yes. Those who come from the West Indies
say the form of the fruit suggests it. Although I am not much acquainted with that, I think the spiritual use of it would be unity. A Christian would go out and see how these things developed, beginning with that day, the day he became exercised by the word of God coming home to him.
F.L. So the Lord, in the day when the terrific pressure of things was to bear in on the remnant, does not throw them upon outside signs or marks, but says, they were to look for the budding of the fig tree. That would be their sign. There is the evidence of a divine work, a divine work which is responsive to His touch from the heavens in the rain and sun. It is the evidence of a divine work that we are to look for. As you said, they were to go out and look for it.
J.T. The Lord had cursed the fig tree before He left, and I suppose the budding would be the indication of an incoming of life. So it is with us.
F.L. He had reversed all that now.
J.T. No one would seek to occupy Christians with themselves, but certainly a godly Jew under those circumstances would consider from that day onward and see how the things went. The blessing of God was seen in the fruitfulness of his garden.
J.B. Three of these fruits, omitting the olive, were mentioned in regard to what the spies brought back from the land, grapes, figs and pomegranates.
J.T. Yes. So that they are a sort of heavenly growth. That elevates the subject a bit, bringing in a heavenly thought. Now the second message to Haggai is very interesting in the sense that it is the counterpart of the first, being on the same day. It connects the soul with the purpose of God. That is, there is the fruit growing on the one hand; and then the purpose of God, my relation to Christ: all that He has in His mind in regard of Christ. I think Zechariah enlarges greatly on that. You
have a definite person introduced here. Haggai leaves you with a definite person before your soul, a figurative person, Zerubbabel. He is left before the soul as Jehovah's signet, who is Christ, I suppose, suggesting that everything is, so to speak, to bear the impress of this Man.
F.L. It is evident there is a great expansion in Zechariah, and it seems to me that Haggai comes in on the moral line of recovery in connection with the house. Zechariah, as you said, takes up the purpose of God. It would help if you would give us an outline of what is in your mind in connection with Zechariah.
J.T. First of all, you have in the chapter read, the Gentile monarchies or powers, and their relation to Israel, Judah and Jerusalem. They had gone beyond the divine direction. They had done more than God had directed them to do and God is taking account of this. So the first chapter is the way that God takes account of the Gentile powers; they are met with these four "carpenters", remarkable kind of instruments to use to meet the influence or power of the Gentiles. The second chapter is God dwelling in Zion, and the "holy land". The expression "holy land" is found there: in Nehemiah it is the "holy city". And the third chapter, I think, is the kind of man that is to be in it. I do not know that we should go beyond that for the moment. That was what I especially had in view in suggesting this book. The message to Zerubbabel is very remarkable in that it comes in on the same day on which the saints are moved to look for fruit-bearing. We have the "fruit unto holiness", so to speak, but then Christ is the object of the purpose of God and that must be provided for in our souls. Here is the One who is Jehovah's signet, the One, I suppose, who is to stand for, to give character to everything, and our souls are to develop and progress on that line.
So what Zechariah opens up to us is the city and the holy land.
F.L. I suppose at the end of the second chapter we come to a kind of climax. That is, things have been pursued to the point of the Lord finding His inheritance in the holy land and the city, and all flesh is called upon to be silent, for the Lord is raised up out of His holy habitation. Then at the end of the third chapter, you would say, we get another climax. That is, the millennial order of things; every man calls his neighbour under his vine and under his fig-tree. First we have God's portion, and then blessing for men in the world to come.
A.F.M. That would be a clear advance upon Haggai, where they go to see if they are flourishing. You can call your neighbour under the vine and fig trees now
J.T. Yes. The vine and fig-tree are already grown and have flourished.
A.F.M. Do you regard these two things as encouragement for us who have left the confusion of Babylon and are seeking to be here in connection with the recovered light of God? Is that what is in your mind?
J.T. That is what I had in mind. First, Haggai bringing in the light as to the house and leading the movement which God formally approves; and then the subsequent messages of Haggai, leading up to Zerubbabel, who is definitely set before the soul as he who is Jehovah's signet. I think that we are in that way set on the line of Colossians. Here is a man for God. And Zechariah, I think, opens up typically Ephesians to us.
G.W.H. Colossians gives you the Man.
J.T. Yes, He is definitely before the soul now. I suppose Romans is the budding, the principle of things in the soul. You go back to that. You have "fruit unto holiness". Then you get a Man, a
definite object for the soul, in Colossians; and in Ephesians the full purpose of God, the sphere of it, and the order of Man that will be there.
W.H.F. You are speaking now in regard to the scripture before us, that it gives a sort of detail in regard to Colossians and Ephesians?
J.T. I think Romans is the spirit, or principle, of things in Christianity. That is, you have the principle of faith there, the budding. All is there. It is potential; that is, there are great possibilities. They are not all achieved yet, or accomplished, but they are all there potentially, so it becomes evident that Romans is the great fundamental epistle, as we have often observed. I refer to it now as that which treats of life in the Spirit, the secret of fruit-bearing. But Colossians is more than that. It is assumed that they have love for all the saints, which is a great evidence of the power of the Spirit in them. The Spirit is hardly mentioned in Colossians, His work is in evidence more. In Romans the Spirit is very prominent, but in Colossians it is the effect of the Spirit: the evidences of life are there, but there was a need of recognizing the Head. The Colossians were amiss on that line, and the Christ is brought in in His personal dignity as Head, which they were to hold. They were to hold the Head. He was the source of everything for them. There is nothing much said about the sphere of things in Colossians, because the point was to get Christ into their hearts in His position as Head. But when you come to Ephesians the sphere is introduced almost immediately. God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavens. It is where the thing is in Ephesians, and so we are raised up and made to sit down together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus. So in the third chapter we have the length, breadth, and height and depth; it is a question of the domain or sphere of things.
G.W.H. In Ephesians you "grow up into him in all things".
W.H.F. I was wondering what bearing this would have upon us at present?
J.T. It seems to me, that it is of immense moment to us to have opened up the scope of the truth in that way. In the day of small things we are to have all the truth, although compatibility may not always be apparent: especially the truth which relates to the house of God. If we love the truth we want all the truth, because the truth is to be loved and every item of it must be held in our souls. It seems as if these prophets were used of God to bring in the great features of the truth that had been communicated in the Old Testament; the truth of the house of God and the land. The latter was given to them according to purpose.
W.H.F. All centred in Christ, and, as I understand it, in Old Testament scriptures you get certain details that help in regard to the New Testament.
J.T. Details that are not found in the New Testament, and hence the importance of the Old Testament and the understanding of it so as to fill out the truth in our souls.
R.L.C. In Galatians the apostle reminds those to whom he wrote of the blessing that once "ye spake of" There was the taking note of what God had given and which they had lost the sense of He reminds them of brighter days. They had lost the sense of it.
J.T. As Jehovah reminded Israel, through Jeremiah, of their brighter days. He says, "I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when ... ... Israel was holiness unto the Lord", Jeremiah 2:2, 3.
F.L. "When thou wentest after me", showing there had been that response. The prophet Zechariah
is in a measure a condensation of the whole of the Old Testament. With Haggai and Malachi, it is the closing word of the Old Testament testimony, and brings it all up and connects it, typically, with Christ. Everything is summarised and brought up to a definite and ordered conclusion. We are established in those things now. So when He speaks to Nathaniel about sitting under the fig-tree we are supposed to understand the reference. And the same applies to many other references in the New Testament. This is especially evident in the book of Revelation.
J.T. They "searched the scriptures daily, whether these things were so". This shows how Old Testament scriptures were regarded as confirmatory of what was presented in the gospel.
F.L. So when the Lord spoke to the disciples of being the True Vine, the significance of that is to be understood by seeing what the vine had been before.. The Lord does not repeat those things. He assumes that we know.
W.C.R. What were you going to say about the carpenters?
J.T. It is remarkable that it should be such that God should use to overthrow these great powers. It suggests to my mind that in meeting evil God is constructive as well as destructive. A military man destroys. Anyone who goes in the wake of an army knows what it does. Destruction is there. But a carpenter is not for destruction, but for construction, so that in casting out, or fraying the horns of the Gentiles, you have something built up for God. That was what marked the ministry of Christ and it was what marked the apostles' ministry, especially Paul. He has power for destruction, but he had power for construction, and that was what he delighted in.
A.F.M. Are these four horns the four great monarchies spoken of in Daniel?
J.T. I think so. Indeed it is said so formally at the end of this chapter. "These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem".
J.B. When speaking of constructive work done by the carpenters, it would be to displace the horns by that which God would bring in and build up.
F.L. It is very remarkable and one would regard it with reverence, that when the Lord was here on earth, He was a carpenter. He was the Carpenter of Nazareth.
W.C.R. He said, "The Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them".
J.T. I suppose the reference is to what is universal.
A.F.M. All other kingdoms are to be annulled and Christ's kingdom fill the whole earth. Compare Daniel 2:35, 44.
F.L. I suppose there is no doubt that four horns have reference to the four Gentile kingdoms. There was that adequate from the side of God to overthrow every one of those powers, until finally He reaches that which is eternally established.
J.T. Showing that the power God brought in to deal with this universal human power was commensurate, and more than that, "Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world". (1 John 4:4) That is, the Lord in His ministry met all this in principle in the power of the Spirit, and so did the apostles. Finally these powers, or what represents them at the end, shall be overthrown, their place taken by Christ's kingdom.
R.L.C. The Lord was displeased with two of His disciples when they demanded fire to come down from heaven. The point now is construction, not destruction.
J.B. It is very encouraging to notice in a day like Zechariah's, which answers to the present day, that we find these four carpenters who are indicative of the way by which God works to establish His thoughts.
J.T. It seems to me that the great point for us to see is that our business is construction, to be building up. However small our work may be, it is part of that which is going to supersede all this that is going on.
A.F.M. Paul was regarded as a wise architect, and he gives a word to others to take heed how they build. It is on that line you are speaking, is it not?
J.T. Yes The Lord says, "On this rock I will build my assembly". So Paul lays a foundation, and others are to build on it. Christianity is marked by building or construction.
W.H.F. Christianity in its fulness begins with Paul. Paul was called out sovereignly, after Stephen's testimony. He was the chosen vessel to unfold the mystery of the assembly in connection with the counsel of God.
J.T. He was the "wise architect", and so laid the foundation. He had the whole plan of the building in his mind and it was to be indicated to those who could build with him.
F.L. In other words, if we did not have the ministry of Paul we should not have the full light of Christianity; up till his call God had been recognising Israel in His patient grace.
J.T. Things were in a transient sort of state. But the foundation Paul laid ignored Jewish privileges. The building or construction is such an important feature of the testimony, because we are not so many individuals simply. According to Romans we are taken up as individuals and set up before God; but even Romans laid the basis for unity. We are one body in Christ in Romans 12; not of Christ yet. We are not so many individuals acting in our individual capacity in relation to God. We have relations one to another, and without that you could not have the idea of construction. All has reference to the underlying fact that we are one body. The
point for each is to see that he has part in the building; and not only that I am of the structure, but, in my measure, I am a constructor.
W.C.R. The word edify suggests that. It is continually presented in Scripture that we are to edify one another.
J.T. Quite. "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ". (Ephesians 4:7) He would have that in view in the gift He gives to each of us, so that as we have two or three together this principle of construction becomes immediately applicable. That with which God intended to meet the power of destruction is thus apparent. That is the testimony.
J.B. In verses 18 - 21 you get an encouraging contrast: "Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, four horns; And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. And the Lord showed me four carpenters".
J.T. Yes, "The Lord showed me". The Lord would have the prophet know the means and manner of dealing with the evil.
J.B. If we are exercised the Lord will show us not only that which is going to meet the power of evil and do away with it, but that by which He will establish everything that He has purposed.
J.T. That is the thought that for the moment should lay hold of our hearts. We are on the constructive line and if you have two or three it may become evident.
F.L. One who is really formed in his soul in the teaching of Romans is a finished stone, ready to be put in the building.
J.T. What you notice in connection with the truth of the epistle is that we are not said to be the body of Christ, but "one body in Christ", Romans 12: 5.
It is our relation to one another that is in view there; the thought of the body of Christ is greater than that; it is for His display. Romans, in this respect, saves us from independency. Being one body in Christ,, all fleshly effort in the unity is precluded.
A.F.M. I was going to remark that just prior to that the believer is seen as presenting his own body, and then upon that comes the truth of our being one body in Christ. We could not be said to be that before presenting our individual bodies a living sacrifice.
J.T. Your will would be active unless you had presented your body to God.
W.C.R. I did not follow your point about being one body in Christ.
J.T. Romans 12 says, "For, as in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office; thus we, being many, are one body in Christ, and each one members one of the other". The point I made was, that it is not the body of Christ in Romans. That is Colossians and Ephesians, but in Romans it is so many believers together in unity. Before you can speak of the body of Christ you must first recognise the unity that is proper and normal among brethren, and that is what Romans teaches. It is a question of our relation one to the other.
W.H.F. Does the body come in to correct independency?
J.T. It is brought in for that in Romans, I think.
W.H.F. But quite a different aspect from what you get in Ephesians.
F.L. And completely opposed to all in Christendom, where bodies are organised on human lines of organisation for different beneficial, uplifting and reform purposes.
J.T. It would be out of all reason to say, that
all these bodies are "in Christ". Is Christ divided?
F.L. It is a great bond. Where are you to find unity now? You get it in Christ.
G.W.H. In order to build you would require wisdom.
J.T. I think so. To build effectively one must have clearly the architect's plans. In 1 Corinthians 3 the apostle says, "Let each see how he builds upon it". He had set the idea before them in Corinth, and now he says, "For other foundation can no man lay beside that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ". It is not Christ Jesus there, but Jesus Christ. It is that order of Man. He would not have any other, and so all the after-builders must see to it that the material used must be of this kind.
G.W.H. So in leading believers your exercise would be to present Christ in some light to meet them in their present need.
J.T. That is it. The order of Man you would be exercised about presenting would be Jesus Christ. Otherwise you could not bring in the constructive idea at all, because if you bring in what is in connection with any other man you have material that has to come under judgment.
J.T. Exactly. It would be spurious, "wood, hay, stubble".
A.F.M. So it is important that the superstructure in the soul be of the same kind as the foundation.
J.T. Yes, and I think Romans is the great foundation epistle, because one reckons one's self dead to sin, and alive unto God in Christ Jesus. That is how you are alive, not in any other sense; all that is not in Christ Jesus is spurious.
W.H.F. Is it because we are weak on that side we have so often to turn to this epistle?
J.T. The Spirit of God seems to have to remind us of it always, but you see in this passage how much
the purpose of God is before the mind of the Spirit. He says in the nineteenth verse: "these are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem"; these latter expressions involving God's purpose. And then it says: "These are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it" God has the land in His mind.
A.F.M. That introduces chapter two, the holy land, as you were saying.
W.C.R. The idea of the four horns was to scatter.
J.T. It says, "No man did lift up his head": the power was so absolute, that there was no resisting it.
R.L.C. When the mighty works of Jesus were taken note of they were offended in Him, because they said, "Is not this the carpenter's son?"(Matthew 13:55) They were offended in Him, because of His humble, lowly origin; but He was on right constructive lines.
F.L. These things are dependent really upon the prophet, and the priest, and the king; and Christ is the Prophet, and He is the Priest, and He is the King. I hope when we get on a little further in the book we shall be able to see how those functions are exercised by Christ in bringing about the establishment of the divine system, and bringing in the purpose of God.
J.T. This "man with a measuring line" is very interesting. The thought of measurement is prominent in Scripture.
A.F.M. What does measuring generally suggest?
J.T. One thought in it is that God takes account of what may be in view, as, for instance, you "measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not", Revelation 11:1, 2. What is measured and what is not measured suggests, on the one hand, what God takes account of and is interested in, and, on the other hand, there may be profession which He does not take account of, what is not for the moment under His eye as of interest to Him; indeed it is to be given over for judgment.
A.F.M. He really measures what can be measured morally.
F.L. "Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein. For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about". The thought of measurement seems superseded by the thought of the Lord's personal environment and glory.
J.T. The introduction of measurement here is very significant. In Ezekiel measurements are given, and so in Revelation 21, but in Revelation 11, which I quoted a moment ago, and here, we have no definite measurements, only the thought of measurement.
J.B. Is this measurement in regard of future blessing or did it refer to their present condition?
J.T. I think here it is all in view of the counsel of God. It is a question of the sphere to which
His counsel or purpose, applied, so it is the breadth and length only, as regards Jerusalem, but in Ephesians it is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height. Whilst in Ephesians we have not the measurements given, yet we are to know them; "that ye may know what". That seems to be a very great test as to spiritual power and apprehension.
F.L. Does not that in Ephesians bring in what is really impossible to earth, the depth and height. A fourth dimension in material things really does not exist. It seems to come in as we touch heavenly things. Does it not suggest that we are on a different line there?
J.T. Yes, that is very interesting. Ephesians shows we have to do with heavenly things, so that it may be said, "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same who has also ascended up above all the heavens". (Ephesians 4:9, 10) The measurements are spiritual, and, although not given formally, they are to be known, and it seems as if it would be the greatest test you could get as to spiritual apprehension and power. "I bow my knees to the rather of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom every family in the heavens and on earth is named, in order that he may give you according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with power by his Spirit in the inner man; that the Christ may dwell, through faith, in your hearts, being rooted and founded in love, in order that ye may be fully able to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and depth and height. And to know the love of the Christ which surpasses knowledge; that ye may be filled even to all the fulness of God", (Ephesians 3:14 - 19)
F.L. That is interesting as throwing light upon the heavenly. There is that which passes knowledge, yet we know it. Now we could not say that in
connection with what is merely earthly. We are on lines here that are earthly, but in Ephesians there comes in that which is heavenly.
J.B. Is that your thought in the fourth dimension; "to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge"?
F.L. Yes. That connects with depth and height, as was just quoted. The dimensions are His descent and ascent, and what is involved in that is knowable, but yet it "passeth knowledge".
W.H.F. Would that take in the whole divine system, the breadth, length, depth and height?
J.T. The whole domain in which the divine glory is to be displayed.
W.H. Where Christ is to be displayed in time and eternity? Ephesians 3 makes it very clear that it is eternity, as well as time.
J.T. So it runs on in that passage: "to him be glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus unto all generations of the age of ages".
A.F.M. What about the standard? We have a standard of weight in Scripture; is there a standard of measurement
J.T. I think there is, and Ephesians applies there too. "The measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ". I suppose He is the measure.
A.F.M. I was thinking of the difference in Revelation, when the city was measured it was "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel". (Revelation 21:17) Would that be a parallel thought?
F.L. In Revelation 21 the dimensions are taken from Christ.
J.T. But they are presented finitely, besides there are only three there, length, breadth and height.
J.B. A cubit is the measurement of a man's arm.
J.T. I suppose the basis of all measurement is in some part of a man.
J.B. We say. foot because we measure by the foot; anciently they measured by the arm.
W.H.F. The city spoken of in Revelation 21, in the beginning of the chapter is presented as the bride; the tabernacle in which God will dwell in the eternal state. John sees the holy city, descending from God, then it goes on to say, "I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men.". A divine statement in regard of the heavenly city, in view of the eternal state. Then further on in the same chapter John is taken to a high mountain and sees the same city coming down in relation to the millennial earth.
J.T. And there you get the measurement.
F.L. You do not get the measurement for the eternal thought, the tabernacle of God. I suppose the use of the term "tabernacle" is to give the simplest thought of dwelling possible. What it expresses is the magnitude of the thought that it is God dwelling. It is tabernacle, not temple or palace.
J.T. So "the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us". That was the simplest conceivable form. He became a Man amongst men, moved about in the most ordinary circumstances of life, yet God was dwelling there.
F.L. Yes, just so. If I speak of a palace or temple you at once get an idea of the greatness of the building, but a tabernacle is the simplest form of dwelling.. In the tabernacle in the wilderness the great thought is the ark, and in the tabernacle in Revelation 21 the great thought is God dwelling. The Word became flesh and so God was manifested in flesh.
J.T. "The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we have contemplated his glory, a glory as
of an only-begotten with a father), full of grace and truth". All there in the simplest and most humble form and circumstances. It is very touching that the glory of such a blessed, divine relationship should be related to His dwelling "among us".
W.H.F. All that was there when Christ was down here as Man?
J.T. Yes, quite so. So that evidently God's relations with men will be of the simplest form, and yet infinite in their import and blessedness.
J.B. Speaking of this measurement, the measure of Jerusalem, is that in answer to the fourteenth and sixteenth verses of the first chapter? The Lord says, "I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. Therefore thus saith the Lord, I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies". Now it is taken account of.
J.T. Yes, a man was to take the measurement, not an angel. Then further you have, "Run, speak to this young man". You have a man with a measuring line in his hand and the young man to be instructed. The young man here is suggestive.
J.T. He is suggestive of living interest, freshness, and energy of youth, as in the things of God.
F.L. It is suggestive at the end. The young man is there, and in this present day the Lord has brought into view vitality in the young men.
J.T. And does it not show too, that where there is interest, as there evidently was in. Zechariah, you get light? See the message to the young man: "Speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein". What a message that would be to this young man, when things were very
small, and in fact a lethargic state had settled down in Jerusalem Here is the mind of God as to what would be.
A.F.M. There was not a wall up, or gate, at that time, and very few people there actually, so, as you say, it would be very encouraging to him.
F.L. "For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her". He speaks that in connection with what was evidently a heap of ruins. This young man in that heap of ruins saw something; and there are young men in the present day who are brought under test and trial, and are passing through the furnace; they could abandon all that and strike out on another line, but they do not, and it is because the light that comes to them from God is that the thing, which is outwardly of no import, is really sustained of Himself and has got wonderful promise in it, and they go in for it.
W.C.R. The young man becomes constructive; certainly Zechariah was. See Ezra 5:1, 2.
J.T. In the books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and these two prophets, it is the light of what shall be that is put before the eyes of those addressed. When they saw the foundation of the temple laid, the old men recalled what had been and wept. No doubt a right sentiment in a way, but it was the old who wept over what had been. The young ones, of course, could not recall what had been, but they are shown what shall be; that is, the latter glory of the house. It should exceed the former, and it seems to me that today the Holy Spirit is directing our hearts to what shall be. If it be a question of order, or commandments, or that which should govern us in our relations to one another here, of course it is what has been that is the test. Everything is tested by that which was from the beginning. There is no deviation in that regard, because the principles that governed
at the first govern now, and will continue on to the end, but as regards what God can do and will do, there is something greater coming in, and that was what encouraged me about this book, that it opens up to us what shall be, so that our hearts may be at rest as to what is going on outwardly with the assembly or the world. This book, connected with what we get in the New Testament, opens up to us the mind and purpose of God. Of course we have the length and breadth here only, but we can easily supply the other, the height and depth, and its strengthens our hearts as regards what exists today.
W.H.F. It seems to me, that God would delight to lead us on to these things which He has in His own mind to bring to pass manifestly before the universe.
A.F.M. At the beginning of the revival eighty or ninety years ago, recovery was brought about through young men, was it not?
J.T. Yes Grey hairs are to be valued if found in the ways of righteousness, and the elders in Revelation suggest experience in the things of God; but energy for conflict and for testimony always seems to be found with the young. It is God's way. "Ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you". (1 John 2:14) It is a shame for the young men if it is not so, because it is the divine way.
D.R. In speaking of young men having an interest in what is of God in the midst of distressing conditions, would you say you get an example of it in the ease of Joshua, a young man who departed not from the tabernacle, and knew what was according to God when there was not much outwardly.
J.T. He was a remarkable illustration of what we have been speaking of; and we know there was development in him.
W.H.F. Should we not carry with us the freshness of youth all along the line, as we further develop in things?
F.L. Moses is a good example. His "eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated", (Deuteronomy 34:7) and he carried his experience with him at 120 years of age. I have often said to the young men, 'You can know much more than I do and be deeper in things than I am, but I have one thing you have not; that is experience'. Now Moses seemed to carry both the experience, and energy, vitality and devotedness to the end.
W.H.F. I was thinking too of Jacob. He was the brightest of the whole of them, although his path was very zig-zag; he comes out brighter than any of them in the end, because he blesses the sons of Joseph while worshipping, leaning on the top of his staff. He had a bright finish, and I think the older ones of us ought to go in for that.
J.T. In making comparisons we should note, that there are no warnings in connection with the "fathers" in John's epistle. The young men are exhorted not to love the world. Although they were strong and the word of God was abiding in them, yet there was the danger of loving the world. And so with Timothy: "Flee also youthful lusts". (2 Timothy 2:22)
W.H.F. The "fathers" had tried the world no doubt. They had proven it by experience, which the young men had not and were therefore in danger of being attracted by it.
J.T. The light conveyed in this message should be very encouraging to the "young man", as it should be to us now. "Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein. For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her". We can perhaps add to that what He is giving to us now. It is open to us to know something about the wall and the presence of the Lord in the midst.
F.L. The term "in the midst" is one that the Lord evidently likes in connection with remnant
times. It comes three times in this chapter. Then in Zephaniah 3"In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not; and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack. The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love; he will joy over thee with singing". So in verse 12 of the same chapter: "I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord". These are expressions that one hardly finds used of the people at their best estate.
J.T. And this word particularly: "I ... ... will he the glory in the midst of her".
A.F.M. Do we have first the city developed, and re-established for God, and then the holy land? Is that what is in your mind?
J .T. Yes. First the city, I think, definitely taken account of, inhabited, dwelt in, protected. Then, that light being introduced, you have the thought of the gathering of all the people.
F.L. I would like to suggest that in that verse on which you have been dwelling that, in effect, it is the Lord restoring the shekinah. That is, the shekinah was taken up from out of the material temple and God could find no dwelling place there. Ezekiel sees it going away. Here it is seen replaced. He says, My glory shall dwell - "I ... ... will be the glory in the midst of her".
J.T. You get the fact of the glory being there, and the wall, then the appeal to all the people. "Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord. Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. For thus saith the Lord of hosts, After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you; for he that toucheth you
toucheth the apple of his eye". Now that is a remarkable message; it is an appeal to the scattered ones to come to the gathering centre; to come to God out of their different places of captivity.
J.B. Would the force of Zion here be the people of God's choice? Sometimes Zion is used for the city; sometimes for a principle; but here it would seem to be the people.
J.T. It would be the people, because it is "that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon". It would be the people taken account of in that way, in captivity. They say. "How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land?" That would show they felt it.
A.F.M.. Would not this seventh verse be a strong appeal to people in systems today?
J.T. That is the application of it now. You see if you have the truth of the assembly revived, with all its bearings, the presence of the Lord and the protection of fellowship, then the following statement applies: "After the glory, hath he sent me unto the nations that made you a spoil; for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye". Things are established, in principle at least, and now the invitation, or the appeal, that there should be an escape; and mark, it is "Escape Zion". It was for her to do, to deliver herself.
F.L. It is akin to what we get in the second of Revelation. That is, Thyatira, or Babylon, and the Lord makes an appeal to "the rest", or remnant, that is in that entanglement. He reaches His desired end in Philadelphia, where "in the midst" would apply.
W.C.R. You did not say anything about the "wall of fire".
J.T. That is clearly divine protection. I suppose the young man would feel that the walls were desolate,
broken down. He would feel keenly the position, as any exercised brother does now, but instead of being depressed and dejected on account of that, the heart is encouraged by this light.
F.L. So Elisha asked the Lord to open the eyes of the young man to see the environment of the, hosts of the Lord around the prophet, and greater were those for Elisha than those against him.
J.T. That is what we need now, to see how things are going. The Lord is with His people and the assurance of that in your soul enables you to extend a word of appeal to the people of God in Babylon; and you clothe them with divine thoughts. If I meet a brother who is a Presbyterian, it is not the Presbyterian that is in my mind at all; I regard him according to God's thoughts about him. These people were deeply mixed up in Babylon, but they are clothed here with divine thoughts - "Zion". How different a Christian appears to you, whether an Episcopalian, a Methodist, or whatever he may be, when you regard him from the divine side; he is a brother to you. He belongs to Christ and you clothe him with the divine thought, and appeal to him in that light. Such an attitude will have a great effect on him if he is exercised.
G.W.H. He really belongs to Zion, so to speak, and you bring the light of the city to him.
A.F.M. How is it he does not come to the city
J.T. That, of course, would admit of inquiry as to the various influences holding Christians in these denominations.
F.L. Think of the wonderful light that was given from God following upon the decree of Cyrus, but how many were influenced? Supposing Zechariah had gone back, as others did, to Babylon, and found a Jew on the streets of Babylon, and would say, Why are you not influenced by what God has done in
opening the door for you to return to Jerusalem? His answer, unless God worked with him, would probably be: I have my business, my position, or something or other that interferes; but Zechariah would undoubtedly not confuse him with an Assyrian or Persian It may be comparatively easy to find many of the Lord's people, but when you come to influencing them, that is another matter.
W H F. The reason why men, even real Christians, are not affected is, to some extent, because we are so feeble in the power of the truth ourselves; we are so little livingly in touch with the Lord, that we are not able to approach others and ready to be used of the Lord in taking the precious from the vile, as we get m Jeremiah. The Lord says, "If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee but return not thou unto them", Jeremiah 15 19
J.T. One feels, that if one reallywere affected by the light we have, one would have more influence. I suppose we all have to admit that.
W.H.F. I have thought sometimes that really the deliverance of souls, and their coming out into the path of separation, is connected with the sovereignty of God. It must be the work of God that brings them cut of these things. It was the work of God with myself, I am sure of that.
J.T. But our responsibility remains, as you have indicated; and it is well to bear in mind that the ministry, or testimony, of any brother is not only for those with whom he may be immediately connected, but towards all; the bearing of service is towards all.
J.T. At any rate, I mean now in regard of
deliverance, your service is toward "Zion", so to speak; that is, those that are of the assembly. You want them.
G.W.H. Whether a Christian is a Presbyterian or Methodist, you should have it before you to serve him, that he might be delivered. You wish to carry the light of God to that man.
F.L. But in a practical way (in reference to what our brother was saying), the wall of fire works two ways, While it is a protection for what is encircled in it, at the same time it works upon the flesh, and the flesh is not willing to pass through it; those that come within the protection of that fire have to come by the way of self judgment.
A.F.M. When Ezra left Babylon, there was quite a company with him. Both Ezra and Nehemiah are marked by prayer. I was thinking in that connection of what a lack of prayer there is for those outside. I, question whether we enter into the seriousness of the thing in that way, by presenting it to God. What do you think about that?
J.T. I am sure Paul in saying, "The Lord knoweth them that are his", (2 Timothy 2:19) was comforted. He had them all in his own heart. The second letter to Timothy shows how he had this one and that one in his heart. Although some turned away, as Demas, Paul had them all in his heart, so he instructs Timothy; "in meekness setting right those who oppose, if God perhaps may sometime give them repentance to acknowledgment of the truth, and that they may awake up out of the snare of the devil, who are taken by him, for his will", 2 Timothy 2:26. This is the attitude of the servant, and one in such an attitude is sure to be marked by prayer.
W.C.R. When things are recovered it is good to see that they are recovered on the original basis; that is, as to the largeness of it. When they return from the captivity of Babylon they set the wall up
on its original foundation. It was large enough to embrace every one.
J.T. At that time the city was said to be large, but there were few people in it; but the word to faith here says, "Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein". This is what should be before us; it would be an incentive in our service. While things are small, we should always have before us what shall be, according to the sure purpose of God.
G.W.H. In reading the epistle to the Ephesians, do you read it in the light of the future?
J.T. Yes, it is written in the light of the future. That is what is in view. It gives the place of the assembly in the purpose of God, in the future; "For the administration of the fulness of times; to head up all things in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth", Ephesians 1:10. F.L. Very often we speak of Ephesians as though it only comprised the first three chapters, but there are three more. You have to read the first three in the light of the future, and get the bearing and influence of that light upon the present.
J.H. So you would have saints moved by the thoughts of God for them?
J.T. That is the thought, and this appeal to the scattered ones I think is very important now, because the trend amongst the saints is to narrowness of affection, whereas the Spirit of God would keep before us the whole number of the saints. "Deliver thyself O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon". We want the saints in all relations to be delivered and to be together.
J.H. "Walk about Zion, and go round about her; tell the towers thereof. Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following", Psalm 48:12. We should consider the thing in perfection.
J.T. I think so, and thus we can convey the light of it to the generation following.
J.B. This would be the full value of the prophetic word.
J.T. Quite. The messenger here really, I think, is Christ in spirit, because it says, "After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you". Then again in the eleventh verse: "thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee".
A.F.M. What is in your mind in making it a point in this chapter that we have the holy land? You have been dwelling a good deal upon Zion and Jerusalem. Is the land secured when the city is inhabited and God's glory is there?
J.T. Yes. The land is, of course, a larger thought than the city.
F.L. And "all flesh" is a wider thought still. It really suggests the circles you get in the twenty-second psalm. At the end of the second chapter here we reach a definite conclusion; God is risen up in His habitation. Then another end is reached at the end of chapter 3, the millennium reached by the people. The nations come in too, as seen in verse 11 of our chapter: "Many nations shall join themselves to Jehovah in that day, and shall be unto me for a people". Thus there is a correspondence with Psalm 22 where we see how all the circles of blessing are the result of the one great sacrifice of Christ.
J.T. All flesh is to be silent here. There are many voices now, but all the product of the flesh. In that day there shall be but one voice. "Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation". It also appears that the Lord was valued in the midst of His people. How every voice is hushed as God is known as "risen up out of his holy habitation". Compare 1 Corinthians 14.
J.B. It was in David's time that God chose
Jerusalem, "the mount Zion, which he loved". Now he chooses Jerusalem again it says.
J.T. His choice is once for all. He has really never been diverted from it, from the standpoint of His purpose as to the earth: but now He is risen up (or perhaps "is awaked") in it. Choosing it here would refer to His return to Jerusalem in the future to accomplish His original thought. Jerusalem is desolate now, but presently God will awake there and speak, and rule there, so that all the nations shall be subdued and hushed.
J.B. He does not choose some other city on earth?
J.T. No, it is the same one as of old. It is "the city of the great King".
F.L. The consummation there is the same as we get in the fourteenth chapter, when the Lord's feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, and then it goes on to say, "At evening time it shall he light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem", and "The Lord shall be king over all the earth; in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one". The climax is reached in the second chapter, and comes up again in the fourteenth chapter.
J.T. You have the singing here. "Sing aloud and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for behold, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith Jehovah". First there is the deliverance, then the promise to dwell in the midst, and they are to sing on account of it.
F.L. What is your thought about the singing?
J.T. I suppose it is triumph. She has come to answer to the appeal, delivering herself. She did not sing in the place of their captivity, she could not, but now she may sing. Singing is the expression, I think, of complete deliverance.
F.L. All oppression, and burden, and captivity and want are gone, and there is liberty and freedom of spirit.
J.T. There is presented to us here the man who is to occupy the sphere of God's purpose. The fact that it is Joshua that is brought forward would suggest that. It is man in the capacity of priest. "He showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord".
A.F.M. Would Zerubbabel stand for a different idea from Joshua?
J.T. I think he stands for Christ more, as from God's side.
J.B. Zerubbabel was on the kingly line.
J.T. Yes. Priesthood seems to express the relation in which man is to be with God; the mediatorial system depends on priesthood. What we speak of as the eternal state of things is not so much in view in priesthood as that in which God would show how He can bring about recovery; and have man before Him according to His own nature, in His holy city and in His holy land. If the city is holy, and the land is holy, the man must be holy.
F.L. In these first four chapters we get God's resource and the instruments in which it is expressed; Zechariah the prophet; Joshua, the high priest; and Zerubbabel the ruler.
J.T. The prophet, priest, and king, we may say.
F.L. Yes, and it is wholly adequate to effectuate recovery, to carry things on and maintain them according to purpose.
A.F.M. Would Joshua here in the filthy garments represent the people's state?
J.T. Yes. If his garments were filthy all the others whom he represented would be. The chapter, I suppose, would show how God brings in an order
of man that is to occupy the scene in suitability to Himself
J.B. "Like people, like priest". The priest is representative of the people.
J.T. I have no doubt that applies here. Joshua is a representative man certainly. The passage shows how one is cleansed and set up in dignity before God in priestly garments, through redemption.
A.F.M. How do you view the garments?
J.T. I think they would refer to the man's state before God.
A.F.M. In Isaiah we have "filthy rags"; that refers to man's righteousness.
J.T. "All our righteousnesses"; here we have official garments. I suppose the chapter comes in to show that man in his old state and circumstances, even a priesthood that God had owned, will not do for the order of things involved in the purpose of God. The filthy garments of Joshua are to be replaced by "festival-robes". Satan's attitude here reminds us of Eden: there he would rob God of man in innocency; here he would prevent God from cleansing man, and setting him up before Him in righteousness.
F.L. It is evident that to Satan this was a critical time; that which was connected with the testimony was weak, and he would prevent recovery.
J.T. It is in that connection we see how Satan discerns what God is doing, however insignificant it may be outwardly. He knew well what God was doing. If there, is only one righteous man, such as Job, on earth Satan considers him. He had not escaped his notice. I suppose it has a present application, that however small things may be in our account, Satan knows the value of them morally. He knows about them; he is doing all he can to offset the little spark and put it out. But then the Lord said to him, "The Lord that hath chosen
Jerusalem rebuke thee". That is; God has His purpose. It is an immense thing to see that, what God is doing, however small outwardly, is connected with His purpose. This makes things large in our eyes, and we can count on God to defend what He is doing, and confound Satan.
E.H.T.. At times Satan personally comes in and nothing but the rebuke of God can overthrow him.
J.T. He is not here using a mediary, he comes himself. He comes to our meetings, and he watches over you lest your soul should progress. He is especially interested in those in whom the Spirit of God is, so as to resist the work of God in them. Hence the word, "the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee". We cannot rebuke Satan in that way. It belongs to God to do it. Even Michael did not do it, he said, "The Lord rebuke thee", Jude 9.
J.B. The object of Satan was the ruin of Joshua before God.
J.T. At any rate, that the work in Joshua should not proceed. He was as "a brand plucked out of the fire". But there is much more to be done in us than to pluck us out of the fire. We are to be set up in dignity before God and Satan hates the idea of man set up before God, as he hated Adam and Eve in the garden.
F.L. The thing of importance for us is to discern what God has chosen; if you go on with that you are secure. In the second chapter there is the precious light that God had chosen Jerusalem, that He would dwell in the midst of Zion. Now, if they would be right with Jerusalem and Zion there can be no question God will take care of what He has chosen. So that, while Joshua is at a low estate, representing what the people were in that way, yet he was connected with Jerusalem, and God would have him there according to Himself. The great
thing is not so much the question of our individuality as that we are connected with what the Spirit of God is going on with and supporting, what God has chosen.
J.T. Quite. So our exercise is not only to have good meetings; we are labouring in the light of the purpose of God and the other is incidental. The point in whether we are being formed according to God's purpose. The subject of clothing is of great importance, because clothing is what characterises us. It refers to what God is doing by the Spirit, preparation in us to occupy the ground of His purpose. When you are fitted for it and in heaven, Satan can do nothing then, but what he will do is to prevent the work of God now.
G.W.H. Would this be Colossians
J.T. You have the idea of clothing in Romans and in Colossians, and you have it in Ephesians; in each there is the idea of putting on and putting off. In Romans, "put on the Lord Jesus Christ". In Colossians and Ephesians the putting off of the old man and the putting on of the new.
G.W.H. I was thinking of, "I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you", Colossians 2:12.
J.T. The apostle was concerned about them, that they might be led into the mystery, and Satan was against that, hence the conflict. Romans 16:20 shows that Satan was active at Rome also. "The God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly". As yet he had not apparently been bruised under their feet. Evidently they had not reached in their souls the full result of Christ's victory. They were to "put on the Lord Jesus Christ". Now that is the point. It is more profession. That is the idea you have in your mind, and that is the ground you take publicly. Romans does not go as far as putting on the "new man", but in Colossians you have, "having put off the old man with his deeds,
and having put on the new, renewed into full knowledge according to the image of him that has created him". (Colossians 3:10) And then you have a detailed description of the new man, which I think suggests the idea of clothes to be "put on".
J.B. The character of the new man being set forth in the clothes?
J.T. Yes. In Ephesians the old man is said to be corrupt; he is formally described as corrupt; And then, "having put on the new man", which he refers to as the truth as it is "in Jesus"; "if ye have heard him and been instructed in him, according as the truth is in Jesus; namely, your having put off ... ... . the old man ... ... and your having put on the new man, which according to God is created in truthful righteousness and holiness". It seems as if there you get the full conception of clothes; truth, righteousness, and holiness would qualify us for the new place, because it is holy.
F.L. That really connects with new creation "If any one be in Christ, there is a new creation". (2 Corinthians 5:17)
W.C.R. There is a side of responsibility in connection with the work of God in us that I wish to inquire about Philippians 2:13, says: "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you both the willing and the working according to his good pleasure". That seems to suggest responsibility as to salvation on our part.
J.T. That was in the absence of Paul, or in the absence of anyone who might have been a special help, you work it out yourself. I think it is collective. The Philippians were to work out their salvation in the absence of Paul, but then they are encouraged in the thought that God worked in them for the willing and doing of His good pleasure. That, I am sure, we are entitled to count upon, in that those who might help us are no longer with us. It brings in the thought of responsibility with each of us. Our
collective salvation depends, in that way, on ourselves, but then God works in us. He works in us for the willing and doing of His good pleasure.
F.L. It is really the subjective answer to what you have just been quoting in Ephesians, to what is created in righteousness and holiness of truth. The saints thus formed can work out their own salvation, through God working in them.
A.F.M. Is that especially in view of the testimony? You are speaking of it as a collective thing, as if they were to navigate the vessel themselves.
J.T. Quite. What had been set up among them should be continued in a living way. Paul had laboured in a peculiar way in Philippi, and with excellent results and these results were to continue. Compare Acts 16. He had lived in their houses, and he would have communicated the mind of God to them as to the assembly, and it was for them to work out their own salvation in regard of all that. It is not simply that I am an isolated individual and do the best I can. No one who has love in his heart can be individual entirely; he includes all those he loves and desires to carry them with him. It was said to Paul in the ship-wreck, "God hath given thee all them that sail with thee", Acts 27:24. Evidently Paul wished it. The more you love the saints the more you pray for them, and the more you pray for them, the more you may count on God carrying them through.
W.C.R. Would working out your salvation with fear and trembling suggest that you are watchful lest anything hinder the work of God in you?
J.T. Yes. Fear and trembling is that you fear God in view of the capabilities of the flesh. You fear Satan working through the flesh.
J.H. The flesh is accountable for the "filthy garments", and these have to be taken away.
J.T. Yes. Then it says; "Is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?" That was Joshua. And
then; "And Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the Angel. And he spoke and said unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from off him". Apparently that was done by others, by those who stood before him. Here it is not presented from the side of individual exercise, but rather from the side of what God does and what others do. It is from the divine side; it shows how God carries out His thoughts, notwithstanding Satan's opposition.
W.C.R. In the history of our souls, would this be the initial thing?
J.T. The result shown here typically may take a good while to reach with us; with some a longer time is needed than others, on account of spiritual slothfulness. Paul said, "What shall I do, Lord?" Acts 22:10. A good deal had to be done in a negative way, as well as in a positive way, and I suppose Ananias would correspond with those who stood before the Lord here. So the Lord says to Saul, "Go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do". He comes to Damascus and Ananias tells him what to do. "Arise, and be baptised, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name, of the Lord". I think this is on that line.
E.H.T. But does it not go a little further? Is it not preparatory to setting one in the purpose of God?
J.T. Certainly, but we have not gone that far. We are speaking here of taking off the filthy garments. "He spoke and said unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from off him". And then it says; "Unto him he said, See, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I clothe thee with festival-robes". God does that.
F.L. If we take account in the abstract of the priestly company as it is brought before God, when it is first brought into view in an individual; he is
undone, he is clothed with filthy rags, and there comes in the work of those who are used of God to relieve us. That is, it comes in through the gospel and other ways. But from the outset God sees us as in His purpose, what we are to be as clothed in festival garments.
G.W.H. Would it be like Luke 15?
F.L. I suppose the element of Luke 15 would be in it. The parable in Matthew 22 suggests the idea; that is, the "wedding garment" is put on.
G.W.H. The prodigal's father said unto his servants. "Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him".
J.T. Matthew is the wedding garment but Luke 15 the best one; the latter is intended to convey the superior thing involved in Christianity.
A.F.M. Does the "fair mitre" crown all this?
J.T. I suppose it suggests his dignity before God.
J.B. Who is the "I" in the fifth verse?
F.L. Does it suggest that the prophet now recognises the divine work in connection with the person, and he calls for the priestly dignity to be put upon his head?
J.B. Is the thought of holiness unto the Lord in the mitre?
J.T. I suppose it speaks of the dignity. The head is usually a member that is taken up to describe the dignity; oil is put upon the head.
F.L. It seems very suggestive that Zechariah should be the one to say it. He seems to claim him in that way, as though the prophet would say, He is a companion in the testimony and, May God crown him with all dignity and holiness.
J.T. So it says; "And they set the pure turban upon his head, and clothed him with garments; and the Angel of Jehovah stood by". This thought of standing by is remarkable in verses 5 - 7. There are those who are in intelligent sympathy with what is
going on and are ready to be employed in the carrying out of the will of God.
A.F.M. What does the crown or mitre stand for in Christianity?
J.T. I think, as I remarked, it is dignity. One is dignified; one is lifted out of the littleness of the flesh, because all that is in the flesh is extremely little and adverse to the dignity in the things of God. I am referring to priestly head-dress in general; the mitre here, as in Exodus 28, would be peculiar to the high priest. The sons of Aaron had "bonnets". The spiritual greatness suggested in these things should lift us out of the littleness of the flesh; its greatest things are very little.
F.L. There is hardly a more wonderful word in all Scripture, as regards our blessing, than, "he is not ashamed to call them brethren". (Hebrews 2:11) That is, He, in all the prominence of His place in glory, is not ashamed to acknowledge the saints as His brethren. That is the idea in dignity; it is conferred dignity.
J.T. As we had it yesterday, "The glory which thou hast given me I have given them". (John 17:22)
G.W.H. But the service in Ephesians 4 fits you to correspond with this; "till we all come in the unity of the faith ... ... unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ". Our exercise should be that there should be a correspondence in us, in intelligence, with this dignity.
J.T.. Yes, quite. The spirit of the speaker here in Zechariah 3:5, would show a lovely disposition to see another honoured.
F.L. I was thinking of the unjealous spirit that welcomes him.
J.B. Does not the prophet recognise the full situation before him, and sees the garments to be taken away and the new garments given, and now he says, Set a fair mitre upon his head. That would complete it all.
J.T. So there is the absence of jealousy in all this. Satan is marked by jealousy. He was jealous in Eden and is jealous here. He hates to see man set up by God. He is governed by jealousy against God. He cannot bear to see the man according to God and will do all in his power to prevent any and each of us from becoming that, a man according to God. So the beautiful spirit in this speaker is the opposite of that, and it surely should find an answer among us, that we rejoice with those that do rejoice. You rejoice in the honour God may put upon a brother. It does not detract from you. It rather adds to you. If we see each other according to the assembly, anything that is conferred upon another will not detract from you at all.
W.C.R. "Honour to whom honour" (Romans 13:7); that is the principle.
J.T. Quite, and you rejoice with those who rejoice. You are not jealous. I think it is very beautiful in the angels, how they gloried in the birth of Christ. God had come down, He had passed them by and became Man. He dignified man infinitely by becoming a Man, and yet the angels are there celebrating it, and a multitude of them, as if they were all represented.
A.F.M. Would not this expression, "And I said", mark the prophetic spirit always, whether in the Old or New Testament, perfect sympathy with what God is doing and aiding it, and if possible seeking to help it forward?
J.T. It is like the spirit of prophecy. It is the testimony of Jesus, of that kind of Man.
F.L. I was thinking of that in connection with the Revelation. John was the vessel of testimony in the way Zechariah was here. John looks upon the saints and says; "I John, who also am your brother and companion" (Revelation 1:9); that is, in the testimony he embraces them unjealously, as a brother and
companion; and here Zechariah recognised the divine work, it seems to me. He welcomes him as his companion in the testimony. "I said, let them set a fair mitre upon his head".
W.C.R. You get the unjealous spirit in Moses, when he was told certain ones prophesied in the camp and he expressed a desire that they would all prophesy.
J.T. That is just it. The testimony filled his heart. You do not know when you will be taken away. The Lord might take you at any moment and you would rejoice to know, that there are others who can go on. You know the testimony has to go on. We have had Joshua's rags; now a changed Joshua, dignified Joshua. It only adds to us all. I think it is beautiful in the Canticles to see at the end the principle of this, and how the speaker pleads for the little sister. At the end the enmity between Ephraim and Judah will have gone, so she says, "What shall we do for our sister?" (Song of Songs 8:8), And then goes on to say what they were prepared to do for her. As a wall they would build a palace of silver upon her, and as a door would enclose her with boards of cedar.
J.H. We sometimes pray that men might be raised up to help the people of God. Is this the answer?
J.T. Zechariah and Haggai must have had remarkable exercises together as to the things that had crept in amongst the people of God. The work had stopped, the people were going to their own affairs, living in their own things, and the house of the Lord was lying desolate; Ezra 4 24. So doubtless the prophets had their own exercises, and this would be the answer to them.
A.F.M. The prophets were helping.
W.C.R. All had been seeking their own, not the things of God.
J.T. Quite so. In Joshua thus clothed what a vessel there was for the work!
J.B. He is clothed first, all this honour and dignity put upon him, and then given the charge.
A.F.M. Would you mind helping us a little in regard to these angels? There are two in the previous chapter and one here. He seems to be identified with Jehovah. Is that so?
J.T. The high priest is said first of all to be standing before the Angel of Jehovah, and then it says again, in the third verse, that he stood before the Angel; and then again in the fifth verse the Angel of Jehovah stood by; and in the sixth verse the Angel of Jehovah protested unto Joshua. Generally he seems to be the representative of Jehovah. In the seventh verse the Angel insists on the obligation. "If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts; and I will give thee a place to walk among these that stand by". That is, he now would have that place. He would be among those that stand by.
A.F.M. Is that some special place?
J.T. Yes. Apparently, those who stand by would have God in their interests and affections. Any saint can be that, even if he has not a gift; but it would suggest one wholly in sympathy with God.
A.F.M. The seventh verse suggests several things. There are, "my ways", "my charge", "my house", "my courts".
J.T. This word of the Angel in verse seven shows how great the things are that we are called to. We are apt to think that they are very trivial, and that coming to a meeting, for instance, is a matter of very minor importance. Doubtless that was the spirit that marked these Israelites as the work lapsed; they were indifferent. People would remain at home rather than be concerned about the house of God, but then God would point out the dignity connected with His things. They are not small things.
J.B. They have reference to His purpose in Christ.
J.T. Yes, and He is honouring you and He is honouring me, and us all, by connecting us with them, and this is what the Angel said to Joshua: "If thou wilt walk in my ways" (that is, God's ways) "and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts; and I will give thee a place to walk among these that stand by". God, however, reserves His own sovereignty and rights: "I will give thee". We must not belittle these things.
A.F.M. Would this correspond with the first epistle to Timothy?
J.T. A good deal. There is an opportunity offered here to "flourish in the courts of our God", Psalm 92:13. Timothy is like one spoken of in the Psalms.
A.F.M. "I will give thee a place to walk among these that stand by". He would be recognised and honoured as such.
J.T. "A place to walk among these that stand by". What company that is! You are no longer isolated. An isolated Christian has a great disadvantage. I mean, one who is isolated by reason of circumstances, he has access to God, but he cannot have this verse strictly. He cannot have a place to walk in amongst "these that stand by". It is very lovely to be walking amongst those that stand by in regard of what God is doing.
W.C.R. It is fellowship and all connected with it.
J.T. Yes. The newspapers are full of what is going on in the world and everybody is standing by to see what is happening. Everybody on earth I suppose is interested in what is going on now in outward things, but the thing to get hold of is that God is doing something and that is seen by faith. God's dispensation is in faith. God is carrying on a great work and there are those that are standing by
and watching. Joshua gets a place to walk among them.
A.F.M. The word in the New Translation is, "I will give thee a place to walk [or "give thee goings"] among these that stand by".
W.C.R. Does that suggest a special place in the house of God for those qualified for it?
J.T. I think so. It suggests not only that we serve God there, but that we have companionship. The Lord spoke about going to the house of God in company, to take sweet counsel together with certain ones; Psalm 55:14.
G.W.H. In the next verse it speaks of his fellows, that sit before him.
J.T. "Thou and thy fellows". Joshua was formally taken account of as a high priest, clothed with a mitre. His fellows are men of portent, men to be wondered at; that is, they are signs. The application now is that anyone corresponding with this is a sign from God.
J.T. Men like these associates of Joshua, are a testimony on the part of God.
J.S. Sisters too may be that by their walk.
J.T. Like Anna. She stood by the house of God; that was her one object. The gospel of John is built up on signs, we may say. See John 20:30, 31. Now it goes on here, "Behold, I will bring forth my servant, The BRANCH" That is Christ. He is to be brought out.
A.F.M. So we have brought out here how we become proficient for the testimony, to answer in this thought of "The Branch".
J.T. You become a sign as to what God is going to bring out, you point to Him in your ways.
J.C. You are morally like Christ, by the Spirit.
W.C.R. Would the Branch suggest what is seen in those that are to be wondered at?
J.T. I think they point to Him. "For behold, I will bring forth my servant, The BRANCH". You connect the idea with the signs.
F.L. It is directly connected in Isaiah 8:18. "Behold, I, and the children whom the Lord hath given me, are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion". So the Lord, when He comes and takes up the apostles, He with them become the portents, signs and wonders.
E.H.T. Could there be anything greater in the present day than to be in any measure a sign to point to Him that God is going to bring out?
J.T. That is the point. People do not take account of it. Nevertheless God could say that sign was there to point to Christ.
W.C.R. So that wherever God sets up anything in a locality that is a sign there. It may be weak and feeble, but God has intended that to be a sign in that locality.
J.T. That is the thought. It is a sign pointing to "The Branch"; to the One who comes out in dependence on God, as the Lord was here. He came in His Father's name and turned to His Father in everything. The Antichrist comes in his own name. So the sign now is to the coming in of Christ, "The Branch". There are not wanting today, alas! signs of Antichrist's coming.
A.F.M. Would this be in the character of a shoot? It is not a tree.
J.T. I think it means dependence, a branch is dependent on something else.
J.B. So we are branches as depending on Him, as He would be a Branch depending on the Father.
J.T. He depended on God. He took that place as Man, and I suppose, as in the mediatorial system
which this suggests, He is on the ground of dependence on God.
E.H.T. Would it be right to say in the present day when everything is pointing to the man Satan is going to bring out, the Spirit of God is active to point out the Man that God is going to bring out?
J.T. Yes, that is the point. Then he goes on from the figure of a Branch to a stone. "The stone that I have laid before Joshua". The stone has seven eyes. The iniquity now is not only taken away from Joshua, but taken away from the land. "I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day".
A.F.M. What is the idea of this stone?
F.L. The thought is not exactly the foundation stone which, we may say, is covered, but rather a corner stone upon which there is writing. He is prominent in the building. They had stopped work on the building, now they come back to the foundation, and the stone is put on that, and there is the writing upon it, which identifies the mind of God with that Man who is brought into view.
J.T. Who has seven eyes; power, as you might say, of infinite perception.
F.L. Yes, we read the mind of God and all His thoughts of grace in connection with that Man who is established.
A.F.M. So the stone, in that sense, is the earnest of the whole structure.
F.L. The stone, if we take the illustration from a human building, is often descriptive of the mind and intent of the builder, rather a glorification of the builders. He puts upon that stone what is to be a memorial and a glorification of his purpose. Now I rather thought the writing was to express the mind of God in connection with that Man who is set forth in the stone. "The stone which the builders rejected", (1 Peter 2:7)
becomes the head of the corner. It is not exactly foundation.
E.H.T. Would there be any significance in bringing in the Man that God is pointing out, who is going to fill the whole universe?
J.T. Here the point is that it is laid before Joshua. Joshua being the great feature of the chapter. First you have the writing, engraving, and then perception. Although wanting perhaps in many things the world regards as wisdom, and instruction, and education, the seven eyes would indicate the power of perception. We judge all things. "He that is spiritual" Paul says, "judgeth all things". The seventh verse of chapter 4 reads: "Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou dost become a plain; and he shall bring forth the headstone with shoutings: Grace, grace unto it!"
F.L. There is another thought, that as this stone was before the high priest, the great mountain of Babylon was to be overthrown, and another stone should come forth. Zerubbabel "shall bring forth the headstone with shoutings: Grace, grace unto it!" It is the stone that is to take the place of the ruling power upon earth, but established as the throne of grace, I rather thought.
J.T. Yes, and then in connection with that you get a little further on the word of Jehovah, in the eighth verse of the fourth chapter; "And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; and his hands shall finish it; and thou shalt know that Jehovah of hosts hath sent me unto you. For who hath despised the day of small things? Yea, they shall rejoice, even those seven, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel; these are the eyes of Jehovah, which run to and fro in the whole earth".
F.L. So that the laying of the foundation is now connected with the headstone. It is complete, and the stone brought into view overthrows the mighty mountain really, and what is substituted is the power of grace and that mind of God which does not despise the day of small things. How much we have to value that.
J.T. Yes indeed. The eyes in the stone before Joshua would, I suppose, refer to priestly discernment. That is, the Holy Spirit in the saints, then the eyes of the Lord Himself running to and fro, so that things are kept under the eye of God and under the eye of the saints, and there is a judgment about things according to God.
F.L. I suppose in the tenth verse we get a result that flows out from the bringing into view of "The Branch" and the "stone".
J.T. "In that day, saith Jehovah of hosts, shall ye invite every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig-tree". That would be the land.
A.F.M. There could not be that restfulness and peace suggested in the vine and fig-tree apart from lawlessness being removed.
J.T. So that the divine thought is to return to original simplicity, as in Eden. The idea of cities, long distances and commerce is out of sight. A man sitting under the vine invites his neighbour there.
J.B. The fulfilment of the law is no doubt involved in that way: "Love thy neighbour as thyself". (Leviticus 19:18)
E.H.T. What did you mean as to verse 10?
F.L. We get the millennium in that verse: a man invites his neighbour under his vine and under his fig-tree..
J.T. "An Israelite indeed" (John 1:47) under the fig-tree.
F.L. Yes, "in whom is no guile"; all shall be, in measure, like Christ then, in whose mouth there was no guile.
J.T. There seems to be a division of the book at the end of the sixth chapter, and I thought it would perhaps furnish a good close for our series of readings, especially as it brings before us the priestly kingship of the Lord Jesus as set over against the empires of the world.
F.L. The empires of the world are shown in the chariots with the horses, and then there comes in the Melchizedek, or priest-and-king character. When Melchizedek first appears there was a confederacy of the powers; Abram overcomes, and then he, who was priest and king, comes in.
J.T. There were two groups of kings in the conflict and Abram overcomes, delivering his brother, and then the priest appears.
F.L.. Yes, so there are two groups here, towards the north and the south.
J.T. It might be well to make clear that both agencies are used of God. That is, the horses in this chapter are not regarded as powers against God, but are used in His service. The Gentile monarchies were subservient to God, but in the character of horses; that is, they have no hearts or consciences. They have to be controlled by external means, or pressure. On the other hand, the priest seen in the second half of the chapter sitting upon his throne is a man, and with a man's sensibilities and sympathies, and with a man's intelligence, so that the will of God is seen perfectly presented in him, in his kingdom.
F.T. The Gentile powers are viewed here as carrying out the disciplinary will of God, and His Spirit gets rest in necessary judgments being executed;
but there is that restraining hand over the governing powers of the earth. Though they have neither conscience nor regard for God, in the true sense, yet God lets them go so far and then stops them; but His Spirit is quieted.
J.T. Yes, they suggest the means by which God preserves a measure of order and repression of evil, pending the setting up of His throne upon which the Lord Jesus shall rule.
W.C.R. It says the four chariots came out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
J.T. Alluding, I think, to the judgment of God. They carry out the judgment of God.
W.C.R. What are the two mountains?
J.T. I suppose fulness of governmental power for the repression of evil in this world.
W.C.R. When the seals are opened you get different horses coming out there, the white, red and black, but there is a man riding the horses there. Is that any different?
J.T. Revelation 6 is more local. These are universal, beginning with the setting up of power in the hands of the Gentiles in Nebuchadnezzar. Revelation 6 is more limited, because it came in later and refers, I apprehend, to the course of things in western Europe, generally the Roman empire. But these are universal; they go into all directions.
A.F.M. Why are the nations different in the way of colours?
F.L. I suppose in the Revelation the colours are in accordance with the results that follow, or rather connected with them. That is, the white for conquest; the red for war; the black for famine; the pale for death. I suppose the colours here would be in connection with the characteristics of the empires.
J.T. I think the mountains of brass represent the power available in the government of God for the"IN THE MIDST"
THE BROTHERLY COVENANT
THE TESTIMONY OF JOHN THE BAPTIST
CHRIST THE PATTERN IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD
READINGS IN CORINTHIANS
CHAPTER 1
CHAPTER 2
CHAPTER 3
CHAPTERS 4, 5
CHAPTER 5
CHAPTER 11
CHAPTER 12
CHAPTERS 13, 14
CHAPTER 15
THE PURPOSE OF GOD IN A DAY OF SMALL THINGS
THE PURPOSE OF GOD IN A DAY OF SMALL THINGS
THE PURPOSE OF GOD IN A DAY OF SMALL THINGS
THE PURPOSE OF GOD IN A DAY OF SMALL THINGS